hellrequiem Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 The problem is this, for example, I decided to create a fly group with the task of Ground attack, I choose the appropriate task (and aircraft) and I desire that this group fly from point a to point b, in point b I detail the actions by asking for a bombing at some point on the map. When I run the mission, the flight group NEVER conduct the bombing. This problems ocurs exactly in the same way if we choose a CAS mision, Ground attack mision or wherever, the result is always the same irritaiting problem, IA DON'T DO THE THINGS THAT I PUT IN THE FLY PLAN. Does anyone else have this same problem?
Grimes Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 Without a mission its impossible to know how you set it up. I can confirm that the task certainly does work. The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum
ED Team NineLine Posted August 23, 2013 ED Team Posted August 23, 2013 Like Grimes said, if you dont post the mission we cant do much, but I have noticed that when an aircraft has an incomplete flight plan (ie no landing/finishing wp) it wont fly its mission correctly. Does your problem flight have a full path set up with a finishing wp where it will land? The problem is this, for example, I decided to create a fly group with the task of Ground attack, I choose the appropriate task (and aircraft) and I desire that this group fly from point a to point b, in point b I detail the actions by asking for a bombing at some point on the map. When I run the mission, the flight group NEVER conduct the bombing. This problems ocurs exactly in the same way if we choose a CAS mision, Ground attack mision or wherever, the result is always the same irritaiting problem, IA DON'T DO THE THINGS THAT I PUT IN THE FLY PLAN. Does anyone else have this same problem? Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Wrecking Crew Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 Try this - Make a waypoint fairly close to the Start Point of the air group. Use Advanced Waypoint Action on that waypoint and set the Option property of Reaction To Threat = Passive Defense. This will prevent your aircraft from diving and jinking all over the place when they encounter air defense. After the bombing waypoint, you can have another waypoint where you can set Reaction To Threat to Evasive Vertical Maneuver. WC Visit the Hollo Pointe DCS World server -- an open server with a variety of COOP & H2H missions including Combined Arms. All released missions are available for free download, modification and public hosting, from my Wrecking Crew Projects site.
Wrecking Crew Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 Also - for the larger a/c - it is best to have only one per group. You can clone that single a/c group into three more to get a 'flight' of four... A group of four big bombers won't behave. WC Visit the Hollo Pointe DCS World server -- an open server with a variety of COOP & H2H missions including Combined Arms. All released missions are available for free download, modification and public hosting, from my Wrecking Crew Projects site.
hellrequiem Posted August 24, 2013 Author Posted August 24, 2013 Here is the mission.Roug Rider 5.miz Look for the Su-17.
VapoR Posted August 24, 2013 Posted August 24, 2013 Make a waypoint fairly close to the Start Point of the air group. Use Advanced Waypoint Action on that waypoint and set the Option property of Reaction To Threat = Passive Defense. This will prevent your aircraft from diving and jinking all over the place when they encounter air defense. Thanks so much for this! The ridiculous amount of jinking and totally ignoring objectives has been a huge problem for me while designing missions. While in this mode will the AI still respond if a SAM or AAA is fired?
Wrecking Crew Posted August 24, 2013 Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) Thanks so much for this! The ridiculous amount of jinking and totally ignoring objectives has been a huge problem for me while designing missions. While in this mode will the AI still respond if a SAM or AAA is fired? No, they will take the hit. Best to support the big bombers with SEAD flights and escorts. I started using escorts recently but they don't seem to do anything even when their escortee is attacked. I suppose you could attach a moving zone to a bomber and if the zone is penetrated by the enemy a/c then you could change the Reaction To Threat with a Triggered Action... --- hr - Su-17s should be fine for multiple units w/in a group. I changed your Rulver flight. Moved the Bombing waypoint further away for a longer line-up. Unchecked your boxes for the Advanced WP Action Bombing for Direction and Altitude - I've not used these checkboxes. I moved WP 1 closer to the takeoff and put the Passive Reaction on that WP only. No matter what I tried, he Su-17 would not bomb - all would veer off to the north. I added in Tu-22s and told them to bomb and they do - but they are getting shot down because they are attacking too low. I switched the Su-17s to CAS and gave them Attack Group assignments instead of Bombing, but they still did not do too well. So it's really a matter of playing around with it all, use Bombers to Bomb, though, not Attack a/c. Get thise MiG-25's to attack the air defense and things might go better. WC Edited August 24, 2013 by Wrecking Crew Visit the Hollo Pointe DCS World server -- an open server with a variety of COOP & H2H missions including Combined Arms. All released missions are available for free download, modification and public hosting, from my Wrecking Crew Projects site.
Wrecking Crew Posted August 24, 2013 Posted August 24, 2013 Here... Visit the Hollo Pointe DCS World server -- an open server with a variety of COOP & H2H missions including Combined Arms. All released missions are available for free download, modification and public hosting, from my Wrecking Crew Projects site.
Wrecking Crew Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 I thought more abt why the Su-17s are avoiding the targets - I think it's ecause of the air defenses. WC Visit the Hollo Pointe DCS World server -- an open server with a variety of COOP & H2H missions including Combined Arms. All released missions are available for free download, modification and public hosting, from my Wrecking Crew Projects site.
VapoR Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 This is a shame. If the AI would jink and stuff while in a threat area but still be able to attack targets and such that would be fine. As it stands right now they completely lose the ability to focus on objectives if they get a mudspike from well outside missile range. Pretty much makes attack aircraft useless.
hellrequiem Posted August 26, 2013 Author Posted August 26, 2013 Thanks No, they will take the hit. Best to support the big bombers with SEAD flights and escorts. I started using escorts recently but they don't seem to do anything even when their escortee is attacked. I suppose you could attach a moving zone to a bomber and if the zone is penetrated by the enemy a/c then you could change the Reaction To Threat with a Triggered Action... --- hr - Su-17s should be fine for multiple units w/in a group. I changed your Rulver flight. Moved the Bombing waypoint further away for a longer line-up. Unchecked your boxes for the Advanced WP Action Bombing for Direction and Altitude - I've not used these checkboxes. I moved WP 1 closer to the takeoff and put the Passive Reaction on that WP only. No matter what I tried, he Su-17 would not bomb - all would veer off to the north. I added in Tu-22s and told them to bomb and they do - but they are getting shot down because they are attacking too low. I switched the Su-17s to CAS and gave them Attack Group assignments instead of Bombing, but they still did not do too well. So it's really a matter of playing around with it all, use Bombers to Bomb, though, not Attack a/c. Get thise MiG-25's to attack the air defense and things might go better. WC Thank you! now I'm at work, when I can I'm going to see, and yes, no matter what role you choose for these su-17, they will not attack.
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