fitness88 Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) Where does calling into ATC 'inbound' and 'azimuth' and 'request landing' actually take you to relative to the runway. Thank you. Edited October 30, 2013 by fitness88
Rongor Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 "Azimuth" requests the airport to tell your QDM. "Request Landing" is a request for landing clearance after the approach controler advises you to contact the tower. "Inbound" will initialize the controller to give you vector guidance to intercept the approach path. Keep in mind the whole ATC within DCS World or is predecessors is nowhere even near real world ATC, the communication "procedures" being almost pure fantasy.
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fitness88 Posted October 30, 2013 Author Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) "Azimuth" requests the airport to tell your QDM. "Request Landing" is a request for landing clearance after the approach controler advises you to contact the tower. "Inbound" will initialize the controller to give you vector guidance to intercept the approach path. Keep in mind the whole ATC within DCS World or is predecessors is nowhere even near real world ATC, the communication "procedures" being almost pure fantasy. Thanks for the response but can I get a little clarification. [Azimuth] Does QDM mean: Magnetic Bearing to where you want to go...if so exactly where does it take you, to the ILS intercept point or the actual airport? When/where exactly should you Request Landing? Inbound:, once you reach the ILS/approach intercept point will the tower call in the new heading for final approach to land? I seem to recall this being modelled in earlier DCS versions but not sure if it's modelled currently. Edited October 30, 2013 by fitness88
kontiuka Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 Thanks for the response but can I get a little clarification. [Azimuth] Does QDM mean: Magnetic Bearing to where you want to go...if so exactly where does it take you, to the ILS intercept point or the actual airport? When/where exactly should you Request Landing? Inbound:, once you reach the ILS/approach intercept point will the tower call in the new heading for final approach to land? I seem to recall this being modelled in earlier DCS versions but not sure if it's modelled currently. If I recall correctly, when you request azimuth, the response from the ATC is something like "you're heading 35 degrees ADF". ADF stands for automatic direction finder which homes in on non-directional beacons that can be found hundreds of feet from the end of air strips. You request landing when the ATC tells you to "contact tower". Inbound will direct you to a point on the landing approach path, not the airport itself. You'll notice that if you are in RETURN navigation mode, the heading the ATC gives you will match closely with the heading on your HUD if you are flying in the right direction. When you reach this point on the landing approach path, your navigation mode will automatically switch to ILS. At some point, ATC will contact you to tell you which strip you are landing on, say runway 27, and the wind conditions.
fitness88 Posted October 31, 2013 Author Posted October 31, 2013 If I recall correctly, when you request azimuth, the response from the ATC is something like "you're heading 35 degrees ADF". ADF stands for automatic direction finder which homes in on non-directional beacons that can be found hundreds of feet from the end of air strips. You request landing when the ATC tells you to "contact tower". Inbound will direct you to a point on the landing approach path, not the airport itself. You'll notice that if you are in RETURN navigation mode, the heading the ATC gives you will match closely with the heading on your HUD if you are flying in the right direction. When you reach this point on the landing approach path, your navigation mode will automatically switch to ILS. At some point, ATC will contact you to tell you which strip you are landing on, say runway 27, and the wind conditions. Thanks for the reply. I believe there is only NAV and ILS modes in the F-15 not 'return' which you have in Russian planes only.
kontiuka Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Thanks for the reply. I believe there is only NAV and ILS modes in the F-15 not 'return' which you have in Russian planes only.Ya, you're right. Been a while since I've flown the Eagle. Anyways, I think ILSN acts as RETURN mode and ILS mode combined.
fitness88 Posted October 31, 2013 Author Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) Ya, you're right. Been a while since I've flown the Eagle. Anyways, I think ILSN acts as RETURN mode and ILS mode combined. I believe for the Russian planes 'Enroute' mode takes you into the airfield flight pattern which takes you crosswind, downwind, base and final...to final approach which you can access directly when in 'Return' mode and onto the ILS intercept point approx. 10 km upwind which you can access directly when in the 'Landing' mode. The F-15 has much better pilot friendly NAV capabilities than what is implemented in DCS. Edited October 31, 2013 by fitness88
kontiuka Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 I believe for the Russian planes 'Enroute' mode takes you into the airfield flight pattern which takes you crosswind, downwind, base and final...to final approach which you can access directly when in 'Return' mode and onto the ILS intercept point approx. 10 km upwind which you can access directly when in the 'Landing' mode. The F-15 has much better pilot friendly NAV capabilities than what is implemented in DCS. I fly the Su-25T a lot. Once you reach your last Enroute point (the one before the landing point), the system will switch to Return mode automatically. Enroute mode won't bring you into the landing pattern. But you're right, Return mode will bring you directly to an ILS intercept point where ILS mode will automatically engage.
fitness88 Posted November 1, 2013 Author Posted November 1, 2013 I fly the Su-25T a lot. Once you reach your last Enroute point (the one before the landing point), the system will switch to Return mode automatically. Enroute mode won't bring you into the landing pattern. But you're right, Return mode will bring you directly to an ILS intercept point where ILS mode will automatically engage. Yes the Russian planes are really pilot friendly for NAV function. I think DCS made the F-15 with some draw backs on purpose to level the playing field...so to speak:(
Rongor Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 Thanks for the response but can I get a little clarification. [Azimuth] Does QDM mean: Magnetic Bearing to where you want to go...if so exactly where does it take you, to the ILS intercept point or the actual airport? When/where exactly should you Request Landing? Inbound:, once you reach the ILS/approach intercept point will the tower call in the new heading for final approach to land? I seem to recall this being modelled in earlier DCS versions but not sure if it's modelled currently. 1. QDM Magnetic heading to a station 2. When the controller tells you to do so 3. He won't. You have to know the heading of the approach and you should be able to notice the occuring interception of the approach path yourself (by instruments)
fitness88 Posted November 2, 2013 Author Posted November 2, 2013 1. QDM Magnetic heading to a station 2. When the controller tells you to do so 3. He won't. You have to know the heading of the approach and you should be able to notice the occuring interception of the approach path yourself (by instruments) Thanks Rongor. I remember in earlier versions of DCS/FC3 there was more interactivity from ATC to the pilot. For example, when you called Inbound from 80 miles out, as you approached the airport the tower did give you heading changes to get you into a pattern, cross wind, down wind and base leg. Once in the pattern ATC did sometimes notify you of other aircraft and the need to do some spacing, this I still occasionally hear.
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