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Did you ever consider the possibility that Intel technicians knows what they are doing and that there might be more to it that than just the LED? Like available range of timing for example, taking the Trident Z RGB it to CAS 13 at near 4000MHz, LOL!!!... Santa is not just for kids. Mine is on the right. Stock CAS 14. Perhaps Intel techies tested those kits, or not but GVK-RipJaw-V appears to be limited to Cl16. In view of the results of their tests and the CAS they obtained with the TRIDENT Z RGB, NO it's not an option, you need to tweak those kits to get it at best at Cl15 and only one of them can do it being XMP-compatible, not the fastest by any mean, which proves my point: Quality has a price. http://www.gskill.com/search?keywords=f4-3200c16d-16gvk Anyway, yes, B.Die kits are worth investigating and that's why I kept suggesting using the B.Die finder, it's easy enough to use, just select the CAS (speed) and brand, so endly the case for B.Die Cl14 vs MORE of Cl16 whatever is settled, especially looking at the price of a 64GB kit Cl16 kit. Now we start to see a clearer picture of reality. No disrespect meant but you really don't know what you're talking about, those LED works just fine WITHOUT the software, I never installed it and I got every option available just the same, by memory in BIOS, I don't remember, I set one scheme up and never looked back, I got other priorities than the lights in my case. Then if you really think Gsklill are as bad as to sell LED for an extra 60 quid, you mistake them with Crucial seeling you Cl16 for "gaming". Not everything written by internet gurus is true, especially when there is no update on the software... update. Sorted. Again, it's NOT about the LED but the end result obtainable and for those who missed it, all the data from their tests can be seen on their CPU-Z desktop screenshot... Then reading their tutorial we learn something: There is a clear difference between Intel and AMD when it comes to the way they use 1 rank RAM kits, in the case of AMD they can make use of interleaving (for servers CPUs in this example) and does just as well with 8 X kits which does not appear to be the case of Intel, at least not in this case for this particular CPU and chipset. Now, that was in 2017, looks like all Ryzen are capable of interleaving today, then MSI advise was to use either 2X or 4X sticks combination for the 5600X, there is no penalty for using one or the other if your Motherboard chipset allows for it which is not the case for every make and chipset...

I ordered mine from Newegg in the USA, stocks comes and go, what you need to do is keep looking, eventually you'll find one source at a reasonable price. https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232488?Item=N82E16820232488 But because it is high in demand those kits are generally hard to come by, I do the same for my future GPU although I don't have the budget yet, but prices are still way too high.

Have a look at the MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX specs, there are enough USB for all of this, I have a controller with throttle and stick which are using the same USB without any problem using this. https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-GAMING-PLUS-MAX/Specification https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00JX1ZS5O/ref=pe_3187911_189395841_pd_te_s_bx_ti?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00JX1ZS5O&pd_rd_r=AAKSZB6PYVPQT9D39YEM&pd_rd_w=5zM1Z&pd_rd_wg=qoC4C The whole point is, you don't need 64GB of RAM but you need your 5600X to work to its full potential, and the B.die RAM kits let you do just that, which a Cl16 kit won't, even a 64GB. Then cooling is not an issue with the 5600X which runs cooler than most, the Artic Freezer 7X can keep it well cool under the hardets of tests, it's one of those quality parts which come cheap, rare enough to be noticed. https://www.arctic.de/en/Freezer-7-X/ACFRE00077A My EVGA GEFORCE GTX 1080Ti is now the bottleneck, but the whole system can run at 4K, not like a high end system or with the same settings and my system would be way faster with an RX 6800 XT but for the moment it is out of my budget and it didn't cost me as much as one of the new mid range still with a 24 month warranty, it's a very good card. But I reiterate my advise, if you can avoid cutting corners with the RAM just do it, O.Cing your CPU with water cooling wouldn't give you half the gain in CPU speed and without B.Die Cl14, it will throttle down under load which is precisely where you're aiming with DCS which is one of the most demanding games there is. This RAM kit will allow you to avoid this bottleneck and you will gain more CPU speed than O.Cing your Ryzen, in fact, chances are that a Ryzen 7 5800X bounded with a Cl16 RAM kit won't be faster under load than my combination simply because it will throttle down while mine keep coping with the load. People don't realize that but this is what real gaming P.C building is all about, spending the money where it really matters, if it was for doing spreadshits, i'd say by no mean, yes go for a Crucial Cl16 kit but it is gaming and heavy CPU and RAM load we're talking about, not the same thing and calling a Cl16 RAM "gaming" doesn't change that.

I think you summed up pretty well one of the reason people have been building Ryzen systems for gaming since the Ryzen 2. I am in the UK with less revenue than a month salary, it took me month to build my P.C part by part, after a GPU failure, my old case dates from the Pentium III which was the first P.C I built in 2010, it doesn't mean that I am ready to cut corners and buy a RAM kit that will restrict the capacity of my CPU to work under load in a way we need it to for gaming. The only difference between you and I is that I was able to sell all part (bar motherboard and power supply) to Computer Exchange and buy a good GTX 1080 Ti second hand with a two years warranty from them, which helped me cut costs, they sell them today for £530.00. https://uk.webuy.com/product-detail?id=sgranvi1080tigtx11gb&categoryName=graphics-cards-pci-e&superCatName=computing&title=nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-11gb-gddr5x&referredFrom=boxsearch I used this buy/resell method for the Crucial RAM, the Ryzen 3600X and the Radeon RX 5500 XT MECH 8G OC. It might be possible for you to get one from them and/or other devices, I don't know, but it is worth asking them, they always answer enquieries and are very good with their customers or perhaps you have a relative in the UK who could buy it for you and post it to you in Brazil. CEX My tip: Get a MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX, with updated BIOS it will easily handle a 5600X and take one SSD which you also can find second hand at CEX. My system is mid-range but can handle 4K simply because I did optimize what needs to be optimized, starting with the O.S, storage and RAM, all of which you can find at CEX including Windows 10 Pro, without this I'd be limited to lower resolutions which my old Cl16 RAM couldn't handle in 3D Mark 4K tests without causing crashes.

This is taking into account the upcoming new generation of sockets and chipsets for both manufacturers, for such future a system, you will have to pay a premium anyway before prices goes down and we still don't know which RAM will offer the best performances for them, this needs to be tested (most of the time by gamers) and will take time. For the present generation of RAM, there is no need for 32GB if you optimize your system for gaming, and a good 64Gb Cl16 RAM kit is gonna cost you nearly as much as a B.Die Cl14 kit of 32GB capacity, it's a no brainer, no need for double the capacity and you remove the RAM bottleneck coming with a Cl16 kit. This is the real issue, of course you could fit up to 128GB of RAM in a system today but the whole point here is for the RAM to be able to recycle the amount of data that comes through it, not the capacity and it is obvious that Cl16 doesn't cut it regardless of the capacity you'll use, so for a few years, using premium RAM makes a lot more sense. DCS is one of the most demanding games out there, not only for RAM but also for CPU and this is the reason why I chose this kit, not only it does cope better with higher amount of data than my previous kit but also without the botlleneck it allows the CPU controller to work at its optimum capacity which is what you want for gaming under load. There are more ways to save money and gain performances than using RAM that doesn't work well when it really matters for gamers, for example: The MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX is excellent and you can find them below £70. I use a 500GB SAMSUNG EVO Plus SSD where I installed my games and set my paging files, at Read/Write 3.500 MB/s, 3.200 MB/s, it is 10 X faster than a SATA and contribute to minimize RAM use issue since the paging files are not on the C drive and it is way faster. The Artic Coller 7X can be purchased below £16 and during the tests I ran, temperature never went above 76.6 °C, shopping around you will always find good deals but it is up to you to do your home work and know what you really need. Before commiting to this RAM kit I have made dozen of enquiries, contacted MSI, AMD and G.Skill to try to understand which RAM to chose, since I was half-satisfied with the Crucial Cl16 kit I had at the time, I got the advise to use this kit by an AMD gamer in the MSI forum, and after more researches I figured Intel advanced gamers also use this kit or other B.die kits. Here is one of the replies I got by email: uktechsupport@msi.com As you can see they are clear in their explaination, the 5000 series controller limits it to 4 ranks and 3200MHz, passed that you wont be able to see max performances from your PC when the game get hard on RAM use without B.Die Cl14 RAM, for Intel only recently have some chipsets made it passed 266MHz, you'll need to check on this too. Intel technicians used a Socket 1151LGA ASUSTek ROG MAXIMUS XT APEX and Intel I9-9900K CPU in their RAM O.C tutorial and the G.Skill Trident Z RGB allows them to go around their CPU DDR4-2666 limit, so even there you can get performances for the money, there should be much cheaper motherboard and you have a range of CPUs for this socket to pick. https://www.cpu-list.com/lga1151-v2-cpu-list/.

It can go that high but if you separate paging files from your gaming (different disk), size them accordingly, disable all background apps you don't need and more to it, optimize your RAM-to-CPU bound you'll find it to be a lot less of an issue. What I mean by optimizing RAM is using B.Die low latency RAM and it comes with a premium, feel free to splash twice the money on 64GB B.Die Cl14 kit but in reality you don't need it if your RAM processes the same amount of data a lot faster and your CPU doesn't throttle down under load because there is a RAM bottleneck due to higher latency. When this occurs, the RAM-to-CPU bus works slower, same for CPU-to-GPU bus although by a smaller amount, in short, the whole system slows down when playing demanding scenarios due to CPU controller limits and inability to cope with the demand put on it by the RAM and the game. Factors that plays in this bottleneck: Latency. Frequency above those recommanded by the manufacturer. CPU controller limits. Number of ranks per stick (max is 4 sticks in total). With Cl14 B.die RAM, one can obtain much tighter timings and go around the controller limits and since they are 1 rank and designed for being O.Ced, both AMD (latency) and Intel (RAM O.C) can beneficiate of them. People think that Cl16 RAM works just as well than Cl14 but it is completely wrong, in reality there is a bottleneck without premium RAM and the difference can be (in the case of AMD, tested with my 5600X) as much as 6.04% at 4K in CPU speed, just as hard a test as this DCS scenario, which implies that your RAM is no longer struggling to process the amount of data and your CPU doesn't limit it. Using 64GB of Cl16 RAM won't solve the issue of RAM speed or CPU throttling down under load...

Brand have to be your choice. Generally, solutions are different between one or the other although sometimes not by a large amount, but if you're looking for value for money (I'm not talking money saving), they will offer solutions traditionaly known from their users and the more you push for performances, the more specific they are as to which solution they offer. For gaming I prefer AMD but it is a personal choice, a 5600X bounded with premium B.Die RAM and a strong GPU will be perfectly capable of providing you with high end graphics, only you won't spend the money in the same place than if you were to chose Intel for similar performances at the end. I would advise that you use CPU and GPU from the same manufacturer to take full advantage of what they offer when they are pitted together. For the RAM, there is no substitute for B.die RAM, you don't need more than 32GB but in every case, the lowest latency available will provide you with the most gain in performance for both Intel and AMD just in a different way. AMD will make a better use of the low latency while Intel will beneficiate from O.C good quality premium RAM, in my case I gained more than twice using this RAM kit the average gain one can expect by O.Cing an AMD CPU with a liquid cooler, so the money spent is <> the same, only I don't lose the CPU waranty. I don't have the data for the gain obtained by O.Cing those B.Die kits for Intel but they definitively use the same RAM for this purpose. https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/gaming/resources/overclock-ram.html Before commiting I would do some serious research, especially when it comes to compatibility between Motherboarsd chipset and BIOS updates, RAM and CPU, and when you purchase the RAM, make sure you buy a full kit at once and not two of the same kit, manucafturers can use diffferent chips even within the same batch and this can cause boot failures and blue screens.

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Thanks for your input! Same here. I alrerady posted the results of back-to-back tests from my old Crucial kit to this one and it is obvious that even without O.C there is a clear advantage in using this kit, especially under heavy load, as I was looking for performances at higher settings in view of playing DCS in V.R. But the Intel CPUs doesn't take advantage of low latency the way Ryzen CPUs (more so the 5000 series) does, they respond more to higher frequencies and this is where this kit also shines for them and the reason why Intel uses this kit for O.Cing it, an Intel system will gain from this, they are able to increase frequencies without losing latency and it makes all the difference. Agreed on the principle of O.Cing as well, I really appreciate gaining this much CPU speed without having to O.C anything, it saves warranty and lifespan especially that of the CPU, just like was your case, I installed it, set my BIOS to OC profile for 3200 MHz and got the best timings without having to tweak anything straight away. In both case, if an AMD or an Intel gamer wanted to increase his PC perrformances I'd recommand this kit.

AMD like Intel gamers wants more performances from their P.C but there aren't so many ways to squeeze those perfs from your machine, so we'll usualy look "in the internet" in search of the golden part that will save us money and give us more FPS. This is where internet gurus makes their dosh, I'll give an example and compare with Intel technician methods for Over-Clocking RAM. People generally think that when you increase frequency you end up systematically with a performance gain, but this couldn't be further from the truth. In reality there are many reasons for this not to happen: First, CPU controllers doesn't always allow for this, in some case, they are limited below 3200MHz and will cause your P.C to fail to boot after working your timings on BIOS, so if you're planning to O.C your RAM, first thing to do is to check compatibility, Chipset, CPU and RAM kit. SECOND: RAM kit not having the necessary die and timing range to achieve stability and performances, if you're lucky enough to escape a boot failure you will see an overal performance loss or zero performance gain at best. But since there are two categories of P.C users, the consumers and the seasoned gamers, this doesn't stop manufacturers to try to sell wooden chariots for rolls Royces in the form of videos or articles, and they have their advertizers in the form of moneytized Youtube channels or writers praising the qualities of their produts, consumers will buy anyway and the sad thing is, they are the majority. Only if you are aware of the big "rock'n'Roll swindle" will you be able to read between the lines, at least if you chose the cheap option, you'll know what to expect (in my case I bought such a kit as stop gap), in the worst case, you'll end up with an overvlocked RAM kit that doesn't give you any performance gain if you're lucky or a loss as was my case. https://www.igorslab.de/en/crucial-ballistix-3200-mhz-cl16-test-can-microns-house-brand-keep-up-with-the-b-the-top-dogs/ On the other hand of the spectrum, there are professionals who knows what they are doing and no one is better placed than techies at AMD or Intel to know what to do of their RAM kits when it comes to increasing a PC performances. To that effect, Intel released an article on their web site: How to Overclock RAM. https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/gaming/resources/overclock-ram.html I wouldn't be surprised if they had done it to shut down the few "internet gurus" I just mentioned and inform gamers properly, their article gives the necessary informations such as Frequency, Timings, method, and if you look carefuly, the RAM kit they used for their tutorial... So in one corner, we're sold a cheap RAM kit which is supposed to equal a premium one by allowing you to O.C it, on the other, we can see what this is all about and it's nowhere near as simple as the advertizing suggest it is. In short, the cheaper option indeed allows you to overclock it, but just doesn't have the range of timing to take full advantage of this increase in frequency and this is a con. There is no technical explaination or system test result there to let you know about what you just bough and done to your P.C, you wanted higher frequencies, you got them for cheap but there is no way this leads to a performances gain for the reasons given by Intel. In one case, your RAM is going to run at 4300MHz Cl19, on the other, 4297.9MHz Cl14 minimum with a CAS of 13 achieved during test by Intel techies (see screenshots of their CPU-Z results), this is where Intel warnig "Increased latency will reduce the performance and potentially eliminate the gains from a higher frequency" starts to make sense. Guess what happens to the cheaper and "faster" RAM? Well I run AMD and had a Crucial Ballistix 32GB Kit (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Desktop Gaming Memory (Black) BL2K16G32C16U4B, calling this kit "Gaming" give the swindle away, "Engineered using leading-edge Micron die" as well advertised as "capable of extreme Over-Clocking" as well. Forget about it, what is extreme is the way they advertize their products, not the performances. Running tests on 3D Mark Pro validated with CPU-Z (same procedure as used by Intel technicians looking at the icons of their desktops), I figured I lost just above 1% overal performances after O.Cing it to only 3600MHz, not what one want to do with a gaming P.C supposed to give you performances under heavy load. Increasing RAM frequencies will only work with the right RAM and it is NOT cheap, reason for Intel to use a B.Die, Cl14 kit for their tests (see pictures), only those have the quality, the stability the timing range to allow you to O.C your RAM and see results worth mentioning, the rest is only commercial and doesn't work. Crucial Ballistix 3200 MHz CL16 Review – Can Micron’s own brand keep up with the B-Die Top-Dogs? (ARFFFF!!!). How to Overclock RAM (Intel). If this is not clear to you then nothing will, but after experiencing the difference in performances on my AMD, knowing that higher latencies and other material than B.die doesn't allow for good, stable performances, I chose to splash my dosh into a G.Skill kit even before I knew about this article, and guess what? Intel techies used the same RAM kit. Hope this help those willing to spend a little more money in solving their RAM bottleneck and use issues or generally increase the performances of their PC without getting conned. Just a reminder: Again if you plan to O.C your RAM, check compatibilities of chipsets, CPUs and RAM before commiting to a purchase.

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LOL! I wish I had given it to you but, bummer, you still have to work for it and it's not free. It's not a problem of capacity but how fast the data filling your RAM can be recycled, so de facto, you need to find a ballance between frequency and latency, what your CPU controller can cope with, how it handles it, it's different between Intel, AMD or older Ryzens who prefer frequencies to latency for example, that is up to 3200 MHz. In short, you can have a 50l tank, if your drain is of a slmaller diameter than the tap, you have a problem regardless of the capacity of the tank. As a thumb rule, even with 32Gb of RAM, if your RAM is well bounded to your CPU you will notice simply because for the same amount of data to process coming from the CPU, there will be less at a given time to be processed by the RAM because it will do it faster and the CPU will not throttle down and strangle the buses, limiting the amount of data the whole system can process. For a gaming PC, the best is to start by allocating a different disk to your paging files and background apps after having disabled all those you don't use, Windows will not clutter your RAM during gaming if it has its own paging files in a different disk to work with. Then best for Intel and AMD might be different but controllers limitations are the same and the indication of that is given by the recommanded frequency, both 3200 Mhz, but for Intel users, I recommand that you do some serious research work in Intel forums and ask people about their own experience, that's how I figured how to remove the RAM bottleneck on my Ryzen. Then number of ranks per stick, more than 4 ranks and the controller will also strugle, more to it, with 1 X 4 ranks you get interleaving and it does help the CPU further. Using more RAM and/or higher frequencies is absolutly no guaranty of gain, first it depends on the silicon lottery, if you're lucky your CPU might handle a slightly higher frequency than that exactly same of your pal although it remains to be seen what the gain will be under load, because this is when the sh!t hits the fan.

Yes. Lower latency + proper paging files settings and your bandwidth will be freeer for your gaming for the same capacity, there is no secret here, when your RAM is not well bounded to your CPU, it works slower, the CPU controller throttles down and it affects every bus. It's called a bottleneck.

Thanks for your input. Yeah, I'm aware of the difficulties of setting this headset, I do not play multiplayer, so I guess I could start with my actual rig and get this headset first.

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MSI or EVGA. I'm so happy with my EVGA 1080Ti I would recommand it vs a 2080 no problem for the price, since I'm running MSI motherboard my next upgrade will be an MSI GPU.

Thanks for your reply. I had a Reverb G2 but it packed up, so I invested into a B.Die RAM once I got the refund from HP. I know a 2080 is recommanded but I might be able to upgrade my GPU too if everything goes to plan, I'm more interested in this headset clarity since I use the cockpit buttons quite a lot especially with the Mirage 2000 and F-18, I need to be able to read the dials and labels. With the G2 it was OK although I thaught limited PoV was a problem and the sweet spot was also of a limited size, the reason why I want to go VR is S.A, i did find very difficult to follow targets using PoV switches on screen. Anyway I'm more at enquiry stage right now, I'll take a decision when I'll have the budget and there are new gen VR headsets in the pipeline.# Fly safe!

Interesting video but there are a couple of inacuracies in the given stats: The M-88 develops 50 kN (11,200 lbf) and 75 kN (16,900 lbf) with afterburner. According to a leaked customer only document obtained during the 2011 Paris Airshow, the Supercruise performances of M 1.4 is obtained with 4 AAMs and a supersonic drop tank (1600l) or 6 AAMs. https://i.postimg.cc/zBmN2nPK/fiche-rafale-le-bourget-2011.jpg

It's much simpler to completely disable Windows Update, it is possible without too much trouble, first make sure you have a stable system supporting everything you need to run. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFIdyzpNHBw That's inly one of the solutions offered on diverse tutorials on Youtube, personally I use this one below.

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Agreed. What I noticed in this forum is the tendency of some to do AMD bashing, from my PoV, it's not about manufaturers but players needs and choice. Before I commited to what I have now, I researched multiple solutions, I chose the Ryzen 5 5600X because it is for me the best choice in terms of budget/performance ratio, when you know that my board can be find for belo £70 today, considering the performances I get from my system I'm happy I didn't buy the last generation of AMD boards, The Socket 4 is ont its way out, so there is no point investing much on it, but if one can manage to build a PC with the requiered performances at lower cost it's what matters most. In the case of this video, I thought that the technologies involved (RDNA3) were interesting, but not to me just yet, only, as an AMD CPU user, I try to inform players to the best of my abilities, this video might not be the best I reccon but it remains informative.