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I didn't say it was, I said an angular displacement might be possible if it was considered that the glass may not have perfect optical qualities, no way of really finding out so it's a dead issue. The point I started making at the beginning of the thread should really be the consideration, that's a mighty long nose, I agree with IvanK that from the photos there really isn't a bar at all but geometrically I'd really like to see how that nose affects things. There is however a fairly good argument for some refraction, with or without the bar then I think this should be considered.

No, of course you are right if the glass is even thickness then the theory is perfect, how perfect is the glass is what I was getting at, that aside my point about the 30mm offset is still relevant, get rid of the bar and make sure the image out of the windscreen is shifted up however much and we could try that as a solution. Making sure the gunsight is not corrected for this offset I might add.

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How so? all this refraction must also involve some prismatic effect, the light path entering does not necessarily exit at exactly the same angle, now there is no denying an angular offset gets pretty massive over distance.

Over distance yes.....massively

but it has just been explained there was, the picture out of the windscreen is 30mm higher than the real world, if you aim a sight through a refracted image then you are off target.

did the gunsight have any calibration to offset this?

I have a sore neck from all the head tilting but yeah I do see it. note......was looking at IvanK's photos before I saw your model :)

Saw that but something doesn't make sense with that picture, id the glass bent the image 5deg down then my earlier point about the nose of the aircraft would be an even bigger problem.

But Andy, the armoured glass frame has a hinge that must sit outside of the fuselage so the winscreen can fold forward.

it's a hissy fit saying he will withdraw from the kickstarter funding unless the bar is removed.

No, no offence, I will respectfully continue with a reasoned debate. @AndyJ the glass extends into the cockpit area but does not project into the fuselage on the outside edge, the frame of the glass quite clearly physically sits above the bottom aperture of the sight, while the drawing goes some way to explain the path of refracted light it still seems to be a bit of an impression rather than a technically accurate illustration. What sources are there to give exact quantitative data on how much refraction happened and did the gunsights account for this too?

Really nobody should, but this is a legendary debate in the flight sim world, for some the inclusion of the bar is like burning a Qur'an. @hakjar.......is do see your point and agree the glass certainly refracted, but who actually knows how well that refraction accounted for the bar?

But Krupi, if the 3d model of the cockpit is of accurate dimensions and the players eye height is set correctly and the 'bar' is visible then it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume it was visible in real life, in order to make that bar disappear the bottom of the armoured glass would probably have to sit inside the fuselage, I can see no feature of the aircraft that suggests that is the case.

Honestly to me it looks as if it shouldn't be the bar that causes a problem but instead that whacking great long nose.

Are you really that suspicious? you think that somehow Luthiers involvement in this has suddenly corrupted the whole DCS venture and we are being sold a giant lie?

I don't know MadTommy, one thing I've learned on flight sim forums is that there are a lot of people that really really want to be able to crash into trees.

The HGU-55p is the standard air force helmet and it comes in grey, the NAVY and MARINES use the HGU-68p for fixed wing and they are a green colour, the NAVY use reflective tape to cover their helmets (helps them to be seen at night if downed at sea) the regs used to allow for coloured tape to be used but now the base tape 'has' to be white, the Air Force don't tape their helmets.

probably have to wait for the full release or the beta version that it implemented would be my guess.