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Woulda been fun to get the IRST pod, even if it was very limited use apparently. Apparently theres a lack of doccumentation tho.

So do we actually got some convincing data about the F-16 underperforming or being weird, compared to reality (rather than other planes)? Consídering how much this is descending into paddle-discussions, it doesnt seem so. G-discussion is also giong in circles. Feels like either F-16 is wrong, or any other plane and sim is wrong. Wanna see what ED says. This game is a fantasy. Youre not actually flying the real plane, youre living out a fantasy.

NP! Im also looking forward when/if the rework comes, latest then im gonna get the Mig-21 myself (only trialed it for now).

Even in reality, the M-2000 will have suffered from lack of missiles. Its funny oure blaming that idea on "Quake Air Servers", when in reality SARH missiles had extremely low PK rates, mainly due to the difficulty of use. And mind that in the 80s, theres a growing number of longer range IR and active radar missiles out there, which compromise usability of semi active missiles. In fact, the trend since vietnam has been to stick very large amount of missiles onto aircraft, but even in the 80s only two SARH missiles for a dedicated air superiority aircraft/interceptor would be very low. Isnt it telling that the Mirage 2000-5 went from 2 SARH to up to 6 ARH missiles, depending on loadout? With 4x it can also take three fuel pods, another important improvement for smaller planes like the Mirage 2k. Thats not to say there is anything wrong wiht the module itself, or that it cant be fun. In contrary, its actually a great plane+module, and its a bit of a shame that the use is so limited by missile loadout. If massively increased versatility doesnt bring much in term of gameplay, then you must be doing something wrong. It was a big upgrade for the plane.

To better understand the issue, do you know if that is also true for the R-27R/ER and S530F/D? Or Aim-120/R-77 as well if oyu know. Theres just a completel lack of information in the documentation, as far as I can tell. The Aim-54 apparently switches automatically back and forth between SARH/ARH and ECM.

I wasnt talking about you, I thought the convo had shifted to people who are a bit more rabid about this stuff. Evidently that was a misunderstanding. Your post imo was just weird because you said theres "radio silence" or that theyre mustve been some deeper issue.

Oh my bad, I thought we were talking about blaming HB for the delay? Otherwise my posts make no sense. Of course its stupid to blame people for their feelings itself. Feelings arent always logical. Im excited for the F4 as well!

No, I dont think its just when they attack a developer because they cant keep their expectations/feelings under control? I mean its not like HB did a massive hype wave, or did a preorder, or made clear promises.

Thats what people that get impatient are doing towards heatblur tho. Theyre blaming HB for their own feelings.

But isnt it peoples own fault if theyre getting impatient? Like the F-4 has been in development for two years apparently, which really isnt that much.

Or maybe everything is going fine and it just takes longer than anticipated? And its not like we got radio silence from the devs, theyre posting little tidbits or talking indiscord or forum sometimes. Its not like they made some giant announcement (or started preorders) and then suddenly got silenced. Maybe you should just not get excited about a certain release date expectation when none was communicated?

Studio starts pre-order, hype cycle, and then delays. Dont got a horse in the race, but imo thats the reason why HB gets very little heat for delays, but RB does. You add money into the equation, the fun stops.

F-15E couldnt deal with the CBT test

Thx, I wasnt aware when they actually did that. Hope the plane is moved to that standard then

But in the end A2A duels is like 190 downed migs and 80 downed US planes. And the US losses were mostly from the beginnig, when they made a ton of mistakes. From what Ive read, one of the important moments where the tides turned was with Operation Bolo, when a bunch of migs got lured into combat with F-4s. But that was actually with F-4Ds, so without even upgraded versions. From, what ive read, the kill percentage of Aim7s was 9/13% for USAF/USN or so? But thats including all misses, including ones that arent fault of the missile at all. Mind im not saying the Sparrow was a perfect weapon, far from it. But people saying its "no threat" just seems a bit hyperbolic if you look up how air duels actually played out. IIRC there was actually something like 50 losses to migs without a single shotdown? Crazy stuff. But the main issues seems to be training, the USAF had trained for a very different kind of combat.

Thx, so pretty similar to F-18 I think. Thats neat, way better than Mig-21BIS

I guess thats about the best answer we can give. Its just a bit messy, with estimations everywhere and stuff. Hopefully the flight model gets more polished over time if theres something wrong.

Btw, do you know if the Aim-9 has a longer delay as well? Wonder how it compares to the Mig-21BIS, that one has a pretty rough delay with heatseekers too. Yeah I probably worded it badly, thats basically what I ment.^^ Aight, so gotta be patient with that thing after getting a lock.

That helps. The claim before side that the missile has no guidance if you fire airly, and that it applied to the 7M as well. Also did a short google, I think I found a l link detailing the problem for ACM. Document is on history.navy.mil and declassified, is it okay to link here? If this is what youre talking about, then it seems to be a mix of issues with missile, radar and launch delay. Some of the suggested fixes are upgrades to digital systems to speed up the aircrafts systems.

Apparently the R-60 got some all aspect capability in DCS, apparently reported?

Tho Id note that 3x 117 is a lot more weight than 3x MK-82. 2100 vs 1500 pounds.

Best would be if it could use the ED RSBN beacon API, i think they got one now? But thats probably more of a long term goal, maybe with the Mig-21 rework.

Cuz its a very old module probably. Magnitude 3 said they wanna do a Mig overhaul (soonest after the Corsair release), and posted some pretty interesting teasers. Maybe that would include a new pilot? Personally I consider the pilot model is very low priority tho. Theres bigger issues, like cockpit scaling/detail level. And systems wise the Radar/IFF and ASP was fine for the day, but its kinda arcady compared to modern modules.

Just wanna bup it again, Aussiemantis made an A2A thread, probably better than spam the A2G thread

Thx, good idea to make a thread about it. Generally seems like everything that could carry and use Sparrows, did so, and most planes got upgraded to carry them if possible. Indicates to me that the weapon was considered quite useful. I wonder if people underestimate the launch constraint aspect? They have very limited aspect ratios and ranges. Like, if you have to get behind the enemy at 2 miles distsance, then Id think the Sparrow would have a good hit chance as well, even mid-vietnam ones. With an 'all aspect' BVR missile, they probably took all the difficult shots with it. Even in DCS, with the Aim-120: If you have F-16s or F-15s lobbing Aim-120s at each other, then competent pilots can really manage MARs and pull some serious maneuvers to dodge missiles. That would result in a low PK, but not be indicative of the missile being bad. And holding locks with semi active missiles is way more difficult. Thats not to say there arent issues and quirks with the Sparrow missile, especially early. Same for the sidewinder, eg see how 2017 theres was a report where an Aim-9xgot deterred by a SU-17s flares. Apparently the 'dirty', inconsistently burning flares confused the counter-mechanism of the missile. Idk, I find this really interesting, because recently ive also learned just how wrong my understanding of the Vietnam air war was, in some regards. Yeah, it would definitely be interesting to hear whats that about? We also had talk about the plane not allowing you to fire the missile when you arent in good enough constraints, so why would there be a 4 second delay where its just a dud? That seems very strange and a massive flaw.