You are frequent visitor on samsim forum on simhq site, and I remember vividly that people there said to you same thing that I'm saying. As far as downing of f117, it didn't "suddenly appeared on the scope at 23km or so", it was actually sighted at 38km with system that has maximum detection range of ~60km. How do i know that? Complete war journal of 3rd battery of the 250th Missile Brigade from that night was posted many times on samsim forum and I know that you have see it. That's why I'm intrigued to know why do you keep forgetting this one? And if success is losing "only" one f117 to enemy that compared to nato fought with stone age weapons then so be it :)