Masak

Thank you for your time. As I said before, I have never flown Apache, but normally in other helicopters, you should be able to move cyclic from center position but with certain resistance. Thats why you need to push force trim button and then move cyclic (not opposite as shown in some youtube dcs tutorials). Because when you press cyclic first against resistance and then you press force trim (disabling springs) you will get kind of "kick" in the direction you were pushing cyclic in the moment you pressed the button. In current setting of the FFB in apache, I can move cyclic around center with very little resistance and with force trim released there is not enough centering force to hold cyclic firmly in place.

I have Kiowa. It seems to work ok on her.

Yes. 15cm. But when I use Moza software slider, the centering force is sufficient. It just cannot be set this way in Apache (I cant do it anyway) .

I did. But when I tried to increase centering force in Moza software, it seems to override FFB in the game (i.e. centering force in game is always present, even when force trim is pressed.

I have never flown real Apache, but I did flew 3.5K+ hours in various helicopters. Every helicopter equiped with force trim has very distinct centering force, which is gone whenever pilot presses the force trim button on cyclic (whole point of having the trim force device in first place). In Mi-8 you can barely move the cyclic without pressing Force trim. In EC135 I fly, you can move it without pressing it, but no one does it, because it is uncomfortable. You just press force trim, move the cyclic and release it. Cyclic stays in new position. With AB9 and DCS, the cyclic kind of holds the position, but not firmly enough to be able to let it go.

Hi everyone. I have bought AB9 and I am super-happy. I fly mostly F16 (in which AB9 is working great) and Apache. In Apache it works how it is supposed (force trim function that is), but centering force on cyclic is very weak. Would anyone advice, how to increase it? If I increase centering force in Moza software, the force trim in the dcs stops working (cyclic is being centered al the time). Thanks. Masaak

I have the same experience. When I get right to boom and report precontact, the tanker is just giving me again that initial talk "....chick in tow...etc" instead of "clear contact", the damn AI 16 is closing on my back to get fuel and tanker goes to feed him instead of me. It sucks, because I used to fly this mission quite often to maintain my AA refueling currency. Please fix it. Thank you. Masak

You guys got to be kidding me! When I made my wish to get a MH/AH6 some day, I did not think it would be anywhere near. And meantime you have been already working on that. You are making my DCS world even more awesome place. Thank you! Thank you!....

I have revisited this magnificent OH-6 after some time being away from DCS and I must just say WOW. This little helicopter flies great after last update. This flight model is everything I wished and is very, very close to real thing. Many thanks for your hard word. Now, next thing I would really love, would be a AH6 version (let's say, some very early model:-)) with two rocket pods and two miniguns. And I would be even ok with V-tail:-)

If you do power off landing, there is no trq, so usually some right pedal (the non-power) is needed coz of friction in transmision.

Hi, Trust me. 1.2 is far more realistic than 1.1. The 500, despite being without any stabilisation, is super stable in the hover. And in calm wind, properly trimmed out, it hovers almost hand free. Btw, Nick Lappos wrote somewhere that LTE is Bell excuse for poor tail rotor design. I never had any troubles with 500 tail rotor authority. even during rather dynamic maneuvering.

I tried the campaign first time today and got twice CTD after pressing "fly again" and last time when I finished the mission 1, landed and then pressed "save track". No idea where to find crashlog to post it here.

Hi guys! This is just awesome! I was always dreaming of DCS OH-6 or AH-6. I have got around 600hrs in MD500 and compared to other 6 helicopter types I have flown, I can say that nothing flies like 500. Sooo smooth, stable and agile at same time. Uncomfortable too. Now I fly larger and much more expensive twin, but when people ask how does it fly, I say "meh..." and start to talk about MD500. Even flown that thing again in my dream a few times. So, thank you so much for bringing it to DCS. Throwing it around, with Cobra overhead, on WW2 Mariannas (or Nam one day) will be blast. Masak

Thank you for your reply. 30EUR sounds a bit too expensive. I will think about that a bit more. But thank you anyway.

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Hi, I am considering to buy an F16 ICP. Since i fly F16 mostly in VR, I don't think I really need that beautiful, fancy Winwing ICP, so yours would work to me. Would you know, how much would be shipping to the Czechia? Thank you. Masaak

I agree. We operate NVIS-9 and when you look through it, it gives the same rounded picture as with, lets say, PVS-7 or 14. So, through NVIS, you should see rounded greenish (in our case grayish) picture with blurred dashboard and you should be able to see instruments unaided looking bellow googles or to the side.

Hi AirTito My experience with Mi17 is very, very limited (couple hours on crew chief seat and approx. 40 min of stick time) and I do respect your knowledge and definitely don’t want to argue. But I really remember quite clearly how the pilots used a FT. In hover or in cruise anytime they wanted to change cyclic (or pedals) position, they pressed FT button, moved cyclic and released button. In this order. So in cruise it was needed once a while but in hover they pressed a released FT almost constantly. Before my flight I have been instructed: “First press FT, move cyclic, release FT. “ So I did. I have been also told, that sometimes beginners forget to press FT first, they apply force on cyclic (a large force because of resistance) and when they press FT- “KLAK”:)- resistance in cyclic disappears and cyclic moves inadvertently further then needed because of force applied by pilot to desired direction. That is overcontroling I mentioned. The overcontroling that you mentioned happened to me in hover because I didn’t use FT the way described above and held FT pressed instead. While in flight, with hydraulics working fine, there was very large resistance both on cyclic and pedals. With FT pressed there was actually no resistance at all. As long as you hold FT pressed. The way of using FT you described seems to me to works with coolie hat- force decreases gradually, but with force trim button force disappears immediately which can lead to overcontroling. Or, all it is just a different ways to use that damn force trim button….:)

Speaking about Mi17 using pedals looks like this: While hovering, chopper is yawing lets say to the left. You press FT button on your cyclic which allows you to apply right pedal (otherwise pedals same as cyclic feel to be kind of locked. you can move them but with large force). After stopping yaw you release FT button and pedals (same as a cyclic) stay in the position where they were at time you released FT. So while in cruise you can use trim for trimming pedals and actually fly with your feet of the pedals.

Excuse me guys, I’m a bit confused.:helpsmilie: Do I understand well that you described two different kind of force trim? AirTito- after cyclic is moved to desired position against springs tension, force trim button is pressed to remove tension on cyclic and create a new neutral position AlphaOneSix- force button is pressed to remove springs tension on cyclic (to let it move freely), cyclic is moved to desired position and force trim button is released to apply springs tension again to keep cyclic in that position. I know the second variant from a short stick time on Mi-17 I been lucky to get. I think I remember a noisy sound of relay behind left seat every time force trim button is pressed and released. Or is it just the same force trim system but used differently? But I have been told that to move cyclic first and then press FT button leads to overcontroling. Which is quite understandable (in Mi17) since cyclic is hard to move without FT pressed (same were pedals). So, please guys, if I understood correctly and there are these two different force trim variants, could you provide me with some examples of using these on various helicopters? Thank you. Petr:)

:thumbup:Ok,ok...There obviously might be rudders on some strange helicopters:). Thanks for correcting me mate;)

Hi all. I believe that when flying helicopters, a pedals (there are no any "rudders" on helos:)) is a must! Coordination of hands, legs and brain is what is helicopter flying about. If I want sim as real as possible, I should aim to use controls as close to real as possible. So my recommendation is: Definitely get pedals, you will not regret.:thumbup: