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I doubt that was true :) You can't just leave an oven in a field and expect it to be hit. It needs to be moded a bit first. @Vesperatus: Yup :) It's a 1 to 1.5 KW magnetron in the same radio band as some tracking radars. Ofcourse, it had to be modified a bit and realisticaly opperated (turned on and off), but from a safe distance

NATO ran out of cruise missiles, and stores in Yugoslavia ran out of microwaves. They make for nice radar decoys :) Airfields were real, but SAMs around them were not. Thick long branches were placed side by side in an elevated position to resemble rockets, and then "badly" camouflaged.

It's either fake, or a very artistic impression.

Care to name 20?

Good audio of two strikes on Belgrade in the begining of this video: (this is not the sound I was talking about, this was clearly relatively low level)

:(

Yes, but that describes what goes on when radar can get a lock. What about when it can't? Like if radar is half-malfunctioned, and it can only transmit.

At least it's freshly painted :D

No, weapons employment is part of the flight manual afaik. I would also like to know that :D If there is, than sure it would be in the aircraft manual, as it's an "aircraft thing"

That is where improvments were made to the S-125. For vareous reasons, the original system has a minimum launch distance. Modifications enable it to shoot prety much above your head. Provided that it (the sam) is not the target, if the stealth comes close you are able to react before it flys too far away from detectable range.

If I've understood corectly what I've just heard from a Serbian pilot, R-27 (not T) can be fired with an EOS lock and the radar used just for the illumination. :detective_2:

Sure, http://www.avijacijabezgranica.com/Tehnika/vtupl17/index.html but it's in Serbian... Serbo-Croatian, to be precise ;)

Don't know about R-73, but the MiG-21bis manual I have is very clear about what the stated R-60 range means. Basically, it's a head on shot, where the cumulative speed of you and the target is >1500 km/h and you have a hight advantage. Also, the manual is very clear that you have piss poor chance of hiting anything with that kind of shot (an afterburning bomber maybe?)

Actually, the ground is pretty much flat here in the north where it was shot down.

Yes, vault, but it's never a single airplane. A network of spotters was organized and they were releying information to command centers (military and civil - for air raid warnings) of what they could see and hear. It was not perfect, but it worked. Even F-117s had escort. The escort didn't know the exact position of the stealth, but they were in the general area. And if you can detect the escort, you know something is going on. That is why it's important for stealth strike aircraft to have an ability to defent themselves.

Can you please split the general aircraft hearability (:D ) to a seperate topic

My point was, you could hear them even when they were'nt flying low. Answer to your question is complex. Btw, 10 years tomorow. Time does fly :|

No, you just missunderstood him. He's saying that K-36 is good.

These guys didn't have an option of ejecting :( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1POGEeZxRk

Be sure that every time they (any plane, not just F-117s) were droping something, we could hear them. It's not like thunder you hear on air shows or takeoffs. More like a distant, constant roumbling sound. Except one time when some F-16s did get a little lower and you could hear that familiar screach. And AAA guys were sure to use that throwing everything in everything they had (the little three barel - frrrrrrr, the Praga 30mils - t t t t t t t t t t t, the huge Bofors 40s - pf pf pf) . That was the first and last time someone flew that low. Only Also, some people were even able to identify a MiGs just by sound (hows that for IFF :D). Silent, supprise attacs came only by cruise (and other) missiles.

Yeah, they could've done better, but it's not like it was any old landing, and they just screwed it up.. like some people see it.

They got "lucky" for a second time when another F-117 was damaged, just a few days after the first one.

Love that sticker over the canopy jettison cord :D

It's ok when you see comments like these on those comment pages under the video where all kinds of people come. But I would expect a little more undarstanding here. 1) they had engine trouble incl. a stuck throttle, they could not get the speed down. 2) no, it's not normal for that plane to smoke that much. It even seems to me that was fuel going thru the fuel dump valve just before they landed. Don't think it was commanded. 3) they were ordered to eject, but tried to save the plane, risking their lives. 4) if that wasn't enough, some bastards then accused them for crashing the plane, and fined them one mil $ each (to be payed for the rest of their life) and if that wasn't enough, they get people on the internet saying that it's poor flying. :mad::mad::mad::mad: PS. here's a better version, posted by Namenlos Ein on photos/videos http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1b2_1237278935

No. He's a full time employee here ;) :D