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This is great! The KA-50 flys like a fast mover but slower. This will be great fun learning all of the bells and whistles. 1.3 Patch for LOCK on? Hummmm Ill put money on the 1.3 Patch after Black Shark release, they will need to see how well it sells first. I know Ill be getin a copy of BS in 2008, ahhh what month is it going to be released? :mad:

Errrrrrrrr? Ok, AGM-65D seeker? How in gods name is this done? I feel like a rookie! "Hahahah you no funny Dr. Jones!!" Ahhh, eeerrrr, Alt-?, shift-?, Ctrl-?, Alt-Ctrl-Tab-Shift-Insert-Numlock-? :lol:

? 8nm Ahhh you lost me bud. I get launch signature at most 3nm, maby 3.5. Are we on the same Simulator? :joystick:

So Ok, the 120 is gona get a fix, right. So for some of us ground pounders A-10 the Mav is the worst PORKED in the sim. My gunz are more deadly than the MAV they have the same range. We cant ZOOM in the MFD as well. Why would a flight SIM manufacture do this, I just do not get the whole picture. Can some one put a light on the subject? :pilotfly:

? Here it is agian, http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/ Phoenix Missile Hypersonic Testbed 01.06.07 Researchers at NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif., and the Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division, China Lake, Calif., are investigating the use of surplus demilitarized Navy AIM-54 Phoenix air-launched missiles as possible hypersonic test platforms or testbeds. Hypersonic flight is defined as aerodynamic flight at speeds of Mach 5 or greater, and use of surplus Phoenix missiles is one of the methods being considered to obtain critical flight data in the hypersonic regime. Image Above: An inert AIM-54 Phoenix missile nestled under the fuselage of NASA Dryden's F-15B aircraft is being studied as a possible test vehicle to obtain hypersonic data. These missions, to be conducted over restricted military test ranges, would involve launching a missile from a NASA F-15 aircraft flying at speeds up to Mach 2.0, with the missile then accelerating to speeds up to Mach 5.0, depending on its trajectory before fuel is exhausted. The missiles would carry experimental research payloads into the hypersonic regime, something that is currently difficult to achieve. Image Above: This graphic depicts the launch and flight profile for proposed hypersonic test flights of surplus Phoenix missiles launched from NASA's F-15B research aircraft. The Phoenix missiles used for hypersonic research will have their explosive warheads removed, and their tracking and guidance systems replaced with a smaller, more lightweight guidance system. The missiles will also be heavily instrumented to obtain and transmit test data from experiments in such areas as thermal protection materials, scramjet propulsion, guidance & control, boundary layer transition and aerodynamics at hypersonic speeds. At present, NASA is performing design, analysis, and testing leading up to a Critical Design Review at the end of 2007. As part of the preliminary studies, several "captive-carry" flights will be flown by the F-15 with an inactive missile with no propellant carried on the aircraft's centerline pylon to determine the performance of the aircraft when carrying the missile. The project has not been funded to conduct actual launches to obtain hypersonic flight test data, and a decision on funding such research is not expected before 2008. Image to Right: NASA Dryden aircraft and avionics technicians install the nose cone on a Phoenix missile prior to a fit check on the center's F-15B research aircraft. When in military service, the Phoenix missile was the primary long-range air-to-air weapon carried by the Navy's now-retired fleet of Grumman F-14 aircraft. It was the first operational radar-guided air-to-air missile that could be launched in multiple numbers against different targets from an aircraft. The missile was in operational service with F-14 squadrons from 1974 through its retirement in late 2004. The Navy has no current need for the remaining supply of Phoenix missiles and is making several available to NASA for its hypersonic research efforts. A Phoenix missile is 13 feet long, 15 inches in diameter with a wingspan of 36 inches. It weighs about 1,000 lbs. in its military configuration. Image Above: Surplus Navy Phoenix missiles like this one mounted on the centerline pylon of NASA's F-15B research aircraft may be used to acquire hypersonic flight test data. Thomas Jones of NASA Dryden Flight Research Center is the principal investigator for the development of the Phoenix missile hypersonic testbed. This testbed development effort is funded by the Hypersonics Project under the Fundamental Aeronautics Program of NASA's Aeronautics Research Mission Directorate.

Ok Ill keep putting this link here untill you all understand that if your Jet is flying at Mach .01 or Mach 2.5 the speed will have an extra push for the missile. Terminal velocity/V-Max/paracidic drag/temperature/wind/ ect. You will not pass up a AIM 120 if your going Mach 2 your aim 120 will reach way past Mach 4 in real life. In LOMAC if your going Mach 2 you will watch your 120 creep infront of your jet. PLEASE READ THE LINK. HYPERSONIC http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/research/Phoenix/phoenixmissile.html

Here it is again Here it is again, http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/n...-093-DFRC.html :thumbup:

Ok, (ALT)(Launch Platform + Speed + Missile/Speed) = Xspeed Here is the link again. Its like saying "If a space craft is traveling at the speed of light and you throw a rock from the space craft, the rock is going faster than the speed of light." HERE IS A GOOD SOURCE LINK!!!!!!!! http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/FactSheets/FS-093-DFRC.html :book:

Right But, We we all agree when the fix comes? It will be nice to have a much lighter and faster AIM-120 that does not go wild right after it leaves the pylon. Sorry about the music.

Right Pilo, yes I have read the info. But why was te 120 created that way in the first place? Who made such a stink that ED actualy downgraded the 120. I guess I shold of been more clear; The comunity? ED? Next question, why was the 120 "To real"? EVIL, ED, copy paste code for 120 real simple, done. I can remember when I first started playing LOMAC on Hyper Loby and went face to face with "GOYA' he was prity deadly even back then but some of his 120s did miss and I also learned how to evade. :joystick:

Light Bulb time! Why cant ED just put LOMAC 1 AIM 120s back into FC- copy-paste- DONE-Deal. I will take about 8 hours to set it up test it then set the patch free. We have waited a long long long long time for this. If ETS can just "LOCK" with out activating the seaker head we should have LOMAC 1 AIM-120s back to normal. Its only fair and us EAGLE DRIVERS deserve it. So Evilbivol1 WHY WERE THE 120s downgraded in the first place? I have no clue to why would a Flight Sim Developer would do such a thing when ED and other people know that there are alot of "Us"-"Consumers"-who know there stuff and do there home work about "de-classified" info on Combat Air-craft and Weapons. Why Was the 120 Downgraded in the first place? :pilotfly:

nice! So with the fix no one can call me "Spam_T" any more. It will take one or two AIM-120s instead of all 8 to kill one bandit? Nice, :helpsmilie:

Hu? Any one know the last time an F-22 or a Mig-Su went head to head? Air shows are fine and dandy but flipin arround and doing jumping jacks in any jet "In Combat" would be rare. I can see where these moves could make you win a Dog Fight. But who wants to get low and slow in a fluid battle zone? :doh:

Hehe! About 5% of my 120 shots are lucky "Reaquiring" Kills. 95% of my 120 Kills are from me flying in the Bandits "blind" spots. Like I said b 4 the 120 will "GO ACTIVE" on a bud even in COMMAND GUIDANCE MODE even when he is well out of the supposed "Seakers" eye. The "deceleration rate" is like the 120 has an air break. 20nm should be no problem for the 120 at all reguardless of what the opposition pilot does. The 120 should not be flapping arround in the air trying to get the best "Lead" point 2nm from the F-15. 17nm to bandit. So another Question that never was answerd was "Why was the 120 downgraded" in the first place? Thanks, T:pilotfly:

Ice, you are right in every aspect about the F-15c in the hands of a good pilot. But 10nm or 20nkm is or should be 1/3 of the 120s lethal range. The whole purpose of the development of the 120s was to replace the AIM-7 and alow the Pilot to launch the 120, wait for it to go active then engage other targets or perform Basic Fighter Manuvers to avoid, evade, and attack other Bandits. The AIM-9 falls way short of its known range and the AIM-7 is easy to break its lock. The 120 even when downgraded still affords a pilot of fire and forget. Yes 5 to 8nm you could expect a good Kill Ratio but now you expose your self to lethal Kill Zones and then the fight becomes "I got you and you got me" tactics. For instance some of my stats on the 169th server do not represent all of my engagements at all. If the 120 was "Normal" I would put money on doubling the ammount of Air to Air Kills. On average in the 169th server I recieve 1 Kill per 4 engagements reguardless of the "Bandits skill" I have seen and done some testing with R-77s and AIM-120s BIG BIG DIFFERENCE. Migs and Sus have every advantage in this game, EOS, data link, the ET, and thrust to weaight ratios.

Yes Goya yes I have flown the Migs, and Sus' but I prefer the Eagle any day. In all due respect to all of the great virtual Pilots. MY dominant issue is the 120 misses way to much when I have the best of advantages in Air Combat. In so many engagements the "Bandit" can not find me or does not know where I am egressing to. Right now as it stands the F-15c is Number 3 in AIR To AIR. look at all of the Kill Ratios on all servers that provide these goods and services. In all due respect as well I have killed plenty of Migs in my A-10a with sidewinders. It all comes down to "Its the Pilot not the Plane" I know that we keep talking about these issues but would you drive your car with your tires half inflated? NO!!!! Would you buy half a house for the full price? NO!! Could you do half your job at work? NO!! But in some and in most cases in life it seems like we all get delt the lower hand or the grass is greener in the other side. But with some cunning and improv you can turn half and F-15c into a deadly weapon. Some of the main issues I have with the F-15c is: The 120cs' range, speed, deceleration rate, and seaker head malfunction. F-15 thrust to weaight ratio, IFF, DATA LINK, and "DOPLAR SHIFT" returns. Some times I feel like im flying a Super F-4 Phantom put up against High Tec-Migs and Sus.with The 120s that act like the EARLY AIM-7s. So as far as the next move by ED perhaps they should consider input from new guys like my self and other consumers of LOMAC. Thanks guys! :joystick: P.S. My girlfriend got me ACE COMBAT 5 today!! LOL HEHEHEHEHEHEH!!!:joystick::doh::lol::thumbup::music_whistling::megalol::smartass::music_walkman::drink::drink::cry_2::beer:

PKM Well, The only real beef I have with this game is the downgrading of the F-15. As far as pilots exploting the under the radar thing, they all die in the end and they are easy to kill. As far as the RAF server, the "NO VULCHING" ruel is for the birds. Also they put the A-50s deeper into SAM WEZ they were easy kills. I have good faith on ED I feel that our extensive concerns will turn the tide. Reguarding programming and fixes it will happen they have no choice. :thumbup:

A few fixes we just need a few fixes. Like I stated b 4, I dumped all of the A-10s stuff on Makop and like I said all of that hard work for nothing. I never knew that dammage does not effect a new player when they come in to the server. Learn somthing new, I guess. :pilotfly:

Keeping the Fire burning! Hi, I have noticed alot of "New" players, which is good for ED, and our comunity. I feel that some of us have done a good job in helping out "New" players with LOMAC issues. We need to keep the Ball rolling and help "New" guys/girls in what ever aspect they need. Some concerns of mine. 1. Marketing: we/consumers have no tools of recrutement other than word of mouth. 2. Conventions: There are no LOMAC conventions in the USA. 3. Walmart/Best Buy: Just because LOMAC is on the shelf this does not mean that LOMAC will be here forever. Me and my bud some years ago started our own "Table Top" war game called 100kingdoms. Our FIRST PRIORITY as far as sales was HOBBY SHOPS like Hobby town, other Hobby chain stores, and the most important was the Ma and Pa Hobby shops. We had a program where the Shop owners would tell "New" buyers about becoming a game recuiter. We pushed the "Grass Roots" like Gorillas. After 6 months after opening our doors to the "Game" market" we were knocking on the door of "Wizards of the Coast" I wont get into any $ numbers but put it this way OUR ON SITE GAME PEOPLE IN THE HOBBY SHOPS made it all happen!!!! The whole point of my babbling is that I am tring to push the point that our comunity is VERY SMALL COMPARED TO THE AMOUNT OF UNIT SALES OF LOMAC. It would be nice to see some other options for consumers like Conventions that local guys like me could set up. GEN-CON????? Gamers go to GEN-CON not Walmart and Best buy. I played D&D befor it was Cool! :joystick: P.S. 169th Web-site gets an A+ for design and user friendly options.

169th Ok, So today I was in 169th, and I feel realy bad because I was locked on to a bandit and I shot 4 120s and my 120s went right for my team mate who was 15nm low at my 2:30 I was high. So when I was engaging the "Bandits" my 120s need information from my F-15 radar as to where to go, right? Ok so why did they go active on my team mate when the 120s were being guided towards the bandit. THEY WENT ACTIVE ON MY BUD!!!!!! NOT THE BANDIT!!!! I can remember when the 120s never did this, and simple BFMs would not "Spoof" the 120s Active radar. Like I have stated B 4, If the 120s could just "LISTIN TO MY RADAR" and not become autonimus as soon as they leave the rail, engagements and Friendly Fire would be Rare or Medium rare! :) Concluding this post I would like to further inspect, anilize, and chalenge skeptical viewers with some questions. 1. Why should they fix 120s? They are still very deadly! 2. If the 120s are fixed how will the improvements effect your tactics? 3. As far as De-classified info-if all missiles are up to PAR will we all conclude and agree on the performance and not create class action to change the performance? Ok Pilo, Ice, Cali, Mustang, Rossi, Lt, Wags, Torwak, Toto, Acid, 504, 4c, and all of the other good wismical thinkers here lets get the snow ball rolling. :joystick:

OMG I cant handle it any more!!. since I got TAC-View!! I cant stand it! I can see how the 120 is. I cant hit a mig that is infront of me. 10 MILES Im at Mach 1.4 above the Bad Guy I SHOOT 4 or More AIM120s and they all miss. Oh my God I cant take it any more, its worse than I ever expected it to be. I think back and then to now of how many engagements I would have won if the missile worked. Im supprised some of them just dont fall off they pylons. Like the AIM7s in Vietnam. "Humidity Problems" :helpsmilie:

No No Shot up Makop with my A-10, cluster bombs, Iron bombs, amd gunz, and Mavs. After I crashed some Bad guys joined the server and they used the Run Way with no problems. Not cool, also if you crash your Jet into a ship, nothing happens eaither. Oh well

Using TWS A good pilot will use TWS inorder to gain the advantage over multiple threats. TWS will "Paint" your targets and not load them up with radar so the bad guys cant tell where your transmision is comming from. In LOMAC 1.1, my F-15 in TWS could kill 4 targets at 25nm, with no problems. Now its a bit more tricky you will need to out fly your Bandits, push, pull, and drag them into a death match from which there is no second place. Lock up or "Paint" 4 targets now good luck hitting one of them even at 10nm. TWS is more of a deturant than a tactical means of engagement. :book:

This is not right at all. The AMRAAM is 11.97 feet long, has a wingspan of 20.7 inches, and a diameter of 7 inches. The AMRAAM is considerably lighter than the Sparrow, weighing about 350 pounds at launch. It carries a 48-pound high-explosive directed-fragmentation warhead. Maximum speed is about Mach 4, and the maximum range is of the order of 35-45 miles. The AIM-9 Sidewinder is 9.4 feet long, has a wingspan of 25 inches and a diameter of 5 inches. The missile has four tail fins on the rear, with a "rolleron" at the tip of each fin. These "rollerons" are spun at high speed by the slipstream in order to provide roll stability. The missile is steered by four canard fins mounted in the forward part of the missile just behind the infrared seeker head. The Sidewinder missile has a launch weight of about 180 pounds, and a maximum effective range of about 10 miles. The blast-fragmentation warhead weighs 21 pounds. Despite the advanced age of the basic design, the all-aspect Sidewinder remains a potent threat, exceeded in effectiveness perhaps only by the Russian-built Molniya/Vympel R-73 (known in the West as the AA-11 *Archer*) which combines aerodynamic and thrust-vectoring control systems. :joystick:

Nice! Love it! :pilotfly: