mytai01

I discovered that if I press the DN LOCK REL button and raise the LG Handle on the ground in a cold & dark jet, the LG Handle becomes stuck in the UP position. Is it supposed to do that?

Is the ALT GEAR handle going to be made to work at some point? Or, is it not operational in the real aircraft anymore?

The two JFS Doors aren't modeled in DCS. This is the only video that I've found that shows them at least closing. Go to 2:30 in the video if you don't want to watch the whole thing.

Is there a way to start a survey in this forum? I wanted to ask a question about gear up landings amongst DCS players...

All the M61A1 Vulcans should sound the same. That would be a logical conclusion. there's no reason that it would sound different in any fighter type aircraft, and that includes the F-14. Therefore, it should sound the same in DCS in all other aircraft. Being mounted in different locations on different aircraft isn't going to change anything but the direction from which it's heard, but that's not a sound change. It'll still have the same buzz saw sound at 100Hz. The tone would be the same, the intensity might be a little more or less in different jets but not likely by much.

I'm not offended by any of the hostility shown by some. It's amusing. No one should be afraid to speak their mind, nor that someone will have their feelings hurt, least of all the developers and consultants. I'm sure we all want to see the most realistic experience that can be had on the PC. That is the point of a simulation!

Have you missed the point of the forum? One of the most important purposes is to report possible bugs. Or, anything of concern about the products that these companies are producing. HB stated that they wouldn't change anything unless the SME said something about it. If Victory 205 is the SME, then he stated he didn't say anything, one way or another, about it. I brought it up as a possible issue. The adults can decide if they want to address the issue, or not, but I'm going to report it, never the less. Scoffers not withstanding. Thanks! I've already had a busy day outside...

I'm not sure what's going on with you, but you're out of line. You've provided zero legitimate input. You're stuck making nonsensical personal attacks. I'm confident that developers and SME's are all big boys & girls, that can handle some criticism. And, if they aren't, then oh well. It's still coming. Besides, we've already established the the SME wasn't asked about the subject, and didn't comment on it. The choice was made by others at HB. BTW, ED only came up with their Vulcan gun sounds a few short years ago. It's a vast improvement from what it was.

Hilarious movie! I try to stay away from Hollywood as an example, or anything that seems like it's had sound added in post production. It would be wrong to say that a video of an actual weapon with raw sound is a legitimate source of information. Repeated such videos add to the body of evidence. None of it supports HB's rendition. At this point, you're kind of joking around about the issue, it seems...;)

Again, what do you bring to this conversation? You haven't offered anything except personal attacks. What do you have to show that the HB simulation of the gun is an accurate reproduction of the sound? I've been bringing videos, and logic, to make my point. Try doing that...

No SME has given a serious response to this question. The Victory205 wasn't given that task by HB, and didn't deal with it here. You have never been given any testimony on the subject, and all you have is videos. Just like the rest of us. I guess they'd have to want to do that, and have the data to put it in the flight model. I'm not sure they ever intended to do that...

I'm sure you did the job you were asked to do, and I hope they paid you for it...;)

Are you going to claim that all M61A1's sound different from one another? We're talking about all variables being controlled except the aircraft type being allowed to vary between F-14/15/16/and 18. They are all going to sound so close to each other that you'd not be able to tell with your eyes closed... What was the point your were trying to make, anyway?

I know the selector is there in the game, but the gun only has one sound file, as far as I can tell. It's a slower than 6,000 rpm rate of fire. Maybe it is the 4,500 rpm rate of fire...

The HB sound effect sounds like a single sound file representing the whole sound profile, both inside the cockpit, and from the outside observers point of view. ED made theirs a complex affair with the windup, and pitch, in both an internal cockpit version and an external version. A much more detailed offering. You mean, when Victory205 said he made no comment one way or the other? Okay...

Well, I have yet to see an M61A1 with a muffler on it...perhaps they put carpet in the F-14's cockpit? No, they all sound the same...14/15/16/18...more importantly the M61A1's of the world all sound the same... Right??? I think it's par for the course in online commentary over a subject that people disagree with. It's not going to kill anyone...

I bring up an issue, (mind you, about a game) and get dogpiled by people that truly don't know what they are talking about. I offer the best evidence that a layman can bring...videos of other type aircraft shooting the SAME gun, both in the cockpit, and on the ground. All the aircraft types I mention are of the same basic construction...a metal tube with a pilot seating a few feet from said gun. How is the exact same gun noticeably different in sound profile in one aircraft to another? What I have is enough basic logic to know that the exact same gun isn't going to sound noticeably different between F14/15/16/18. Not like the difference between HB's version and the rest of the ED modules that simulate the same gun. That difference isn't accounted for. I'll grant you that, "Anchors Aweigh" does sound different from, "Wild Blue Yonder," but Vulcans all sound the same... The only difference in the cockpit could only be direction from whence it came (aircraft type dependent), and the intensity of the sound (dependent on the mass between the gun and pilot, which is still aircraft type dependent). BTW, this is an important fact to those that think SME's are judging every tiny detail of a module. They aren't! Victory205 stated, "...nor have I commented on the gun sound one way or the other." As such, the quality of the sound is definitely open for dispute...

The dispersion issue is different, and I have no information on that subject...

Why do people think you have to have been an actual pilot and have fired the gun to know anything? That's just ridiculous! We have more than enough evidence to know the facts. The same exact gun is used in many aircraft and there are plenty of videos that show us the gun in action with sound, but despite that, you can't accept it unless an F-14 pilot blesses your determination of the obvious facts. That's not being humble, that just being obtuse. The aircraft wrapped around the gun does not change the nature of the gun, or its sound. In every example, the gun fires the same way at 6,000 rpm, is close to the aircrew, and the same sound transmits through a mostly aluminum and steel structure to the pilot. The type aircraft will determine the direction the sound comes from, but not the character of the sound. It's still going to be a sound that quickly accelerates to, and vibrates the cockpit at 100Hz (6,000 rpm), then stops suddenly as the trigger is released. The only videos that would be completely off, would be those that are in slow motion, or those that show the gun firing at the slower 4,500 rpm rate of fire. None of this is what the HB sound simulates... So, how did HB simulate their sound? Whatever it is, is not anything approaching 6,000 rpm rate of fire... There are enough other type aircraft firing the same gun that you should know it doesn't sound any different. At least, not significantly enough that you could tell blindfolded...

Shockingly, there are more than enough real life examples we can extrapolate from on YouTube alone. ED obviously did there home work, and did a great job of simulating the M61A1...

Nope. Based on comparison of many videos of the real M61A1, listening to the HB version from different positions inside and outside of the cockpit, and plain reason. HB's sound choice is crap!

The quality of the ED M61A1 sound effects is miles ahead of whatever the source of HB's M61A1 sound effects is... It's not that difficult to extrapolate a much more accurate sound than the one HB chose. The firing rate alone is way off, let alone the tone of the shots...

I agree that ED has done a great job on it's modules that simulate the M61A1 (FC3: F-15C, F-16C, F/A-18C). I'm just slamming HB for not doing the same! The same gun type means the same gun sound. If DCS wasn't trying to be the most accurate simulator a consumer could fly, and if there wasn't already a huge amount of video examples of real Vulcans firing, and if ED hadn't done such a great job of making a realistic sounding gun (that matches those videos), then I wouldn't care about HB's version. But, ED sets the standard in DCS. If a module is going to be in DCS, it has to meet standards. I want HB to meet the same standards as ED on that one small, but important, point to me...use good quality recordings of a Vulcan, and learn to make the gun sound ED made... Make it right! Even, "The Final Countdown" has a good accurate gun sound! Mover, even says so...and he's flown the F-16 & F/A-18, both M61 armed aircraft. There's no good reason that that gun would ever sound different from one platform to another firing at the same RPM. That's all the evidence that anyone should need. Those of you that insist that no one can take a position unless you've actually been in an F-14 are ignoring logic and reasonable extrapolation from all the available evidence. That evidence is more than sufficient to show that HB doesn't have it right! That same logic also applies to the sound from inside the cockpit...

I'm pretty sure that these sounds are recordings of the real equipment, where possible. ED said they were able to record their sounds for the F/A-18 from the real thing. Something like the Vulcan canon should be a no brainer to get a decent recording of. They don't even need it to be from an F-14. Any aircraft firing the Vulcan would do...However, what the hell is Heatblur using for it's gun sound? I've been blazing trails on ED's forum since 1995/6... I started the thread that gave us the, "Pink Flanker."

The narrator states that the gun footage is at 1/2 speed. Also, none of the weapons sounds are the actual footage shown. They always added sound in these DOD videos in post production for the audience. However, the gun sound was probably taken from another video of a test firing from a ground test rig. It may not have even been an F-14's gun. It could have been any other M61 test firing. We'll never know.