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Serial production Mark IX/M66s were not fitted with SU MkII fuel injection pump.

Sun Tzu approves. :thumbup:

I would say Willy Messerschmitt liked speed and was not very fond of weight in a fighter airplane. ;)

Hmm, such map would provide a good historical excuse to use both Western Allied (15th AAF, Ploesti raid etc.) and Soviet and Axis/Luftwaffe planeset for 1944... We could have even semi-historical Axis vs Axis (i.e. Rumanian changing of sides resulted in 109 vs 109 combats) and Soviet vs Allied servers (blue on blue, or rather blue on red incidents between VVS and 15th AAF).

Seconded. If only we could loose some pressure from the tires LOL, the thing is bouncing all over the place like a basketball.

Out of the top of my head, I recall I have compliled about 7000 Bf 109 enemy related losses and about 7000 non-enemy related losses for 109s at fighter units between April 1942 - Dec 1944. Fw 190 numbers were similar ratio btw. This of course involves all causes both categories - shot down by fighters or bombed on the airfield, as well as the ones lost in take off or landing, or in taxying, random engine trouble in flight, birdstrike etc. etc. There is nothing extraordinary about that, most airforce statistics I have seen have non-combat loss causes being responsible for anywhere between 25-50% of all losses. I would say the main cause is found not as much in the aircraft but the operating conditions - for example eventless patrol flights from well established airfield will strain the planes and pilots much less then months of heavy fighting from an rudimentary airfield. And of course for the last years of the war there is always the "so you did nice in a glider, lets try combat flying in a 2000 HP taildragger - here is the manual, read it before the morning sortie"-factor.

Very impressive detail modelling YoYo! :)

Because IRL the ca. 1.25 factor was the bending limit (8 g) and the break limit was ca. 1.5x (10.8 g) for the 109, and wings should not come off at a load at which they only became deformed IRL.

Indeed it was cheap, and I do not mean foreign labour, willful or outright forced/slave labour - before and during the war German workers earned much less of a wage than their American counterparts, around 1/4 of the amount. So yes, production was cheap. A better comparison is assembly hours. From the top of my head, by 1944 both the P-51 and the Bf 109 required just around 2500 labor hours to build.

I would really like to place a sizable bet on this one, what are the odds? :D This picture below is the effect of a single MK 108 hit on Spitfire fuselage in a British firing test. if the MK 108 hit a fighter with the M-Geschoss, it was a one or at worst, two-hit affair unless some extrmeme luck factor kicked in, like grazing the wingtip..

There is no doubt that the ability was there - the K-4 manual lists the MG 151/20 gondolas specifically as Rüstsatz IV and there are numerous other references elsewhere, for example in the electronic switchboard. The gondolas weren't used much in practice because of tactical considerations, not because of technical... There was a performance hit, but these MW boosted planes were still potent with the gondolas, see http://kurfurst.org/Performance_tests/109G14_PBLeistungen/Leistungen_g14u4_am-asm.html which shows figures for the G-14/ASM which is only a bit weaker in engine profile and output. This table from another report shows the associated weight and drag penalty. http://kurfurst.org/Performance_tests/109G_Leistungzusammenstellung/Leistungzusammenstellung109G.html#dragitems_table

Unfortunately that manual is horribly riddled with errors.. the "250 liter fuel tank" is not the only one.

I wonder if the DCSK4's CoG misses the weight of the MW-50/Fuel system alltogether, because the flying weight of the aircraft shown in the mission planner is missing the weight of that MW-tank (32 kg) and its contents (~85 kg)... though that would make the thing even more tail heavy.

Here is the engine spec sheet for the DB 605DB:

1) A-Wing 2) X-Wing 3) B-Wing then TIE Interceptors or

For those who speak German (or can live with Google translate), its worth the time to read through the German point of view between the 109 and 190. While its an early 190A going through its teething troubles period compared to the matured 109F, a good number of observations were valid for the whole series. E`Stelle Rechlin - Vergleichsfliegen zwischen Bf 109 F 4 und FW 190 A 2. http://kurfurst.org/Tactical_trials/109F4_Rechlin_vergleich_190A2/109F_Rvergleichsflg_190A2_de.html

The short answer to that is Messerschmitt Me 262. ;)

Do you have any K-4 Ladeplan perhaps? Or even better, the one which details every single item?

Ok, thanks, I just wanted be sure, I did not know it has been already solved. :thumbup:

Remember they never flew alone, like many sim pilots do... the loose Schwarm formation (aka tactics) made up for this - the whole formation could check the airspace with restriction, and they had radios to report contacts.

In addition, the bottom position of the Coolant mode switch is wrongly labeled in the cocpit - it should read "Ruhe" (Still, Fixed or Off) and should fix the radiator flaps in their current position. See

Hi, The 3d model of the flight stick in the K-4 is incorrect. The cocpit model shows a straight stick, however the actual one in the 109K-4 had a curve at the bottom, to facilitate the service & removal of the MK 108. See attachment for the correct shape from 109K Flugzeughandbuch http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/m/Messerschmitt/Me%20109/Me%20109%20K-4%20Teil%201-5.pdf

I believe you are looking at the wrong wing section. The oxygen bottles were between ribs 10 and 12, near the wingtip, you can see the oxygen filler caps just under the Balkenkreuz insignia - the gondolas were hanged from the mid wing section (lower panels were detachable with screws, instead of riveted), just next to the main wheel. The gondola ammo was stored just above the gondola, in the wing.

Interesting. "Ende des Monats [Februar 1945] wurde das wieder flugkläre Musterflugzeug, nachdem es ein EZ 42 Reflexvisier erhalten hatte, an 1. Fliegerdivision - vermutlich zur Einsatzeinprobung beim ein Jagdverband - abgegeben." K-6 general layout - either MK 108 in the wings with 40 rpg, or MG 151 w. 100 rpg.

+ a big "D" letter on the engine. (DB 605D - used in G-10 and K-4)