MiloMorai

Still not as good as the Fw which had excellent rearward vision from the beginning. Isegrim, you forgot Opel (GM) and Ford Germany.:)

USA 11,045,902 vehicles produced, 6.9% increase Germany 5,718,822 vehicles produced, 1.2% increase The USA motor industry is doing quite well. Anyways back on OT. There is nothing wrong with the 109 except it is FORD (fix or replace daily) Fw was somewhat better in that regard.

Be sure. :thumbup: But some would have us believe that the sights went straight from the manufacturer to some out of the way storage depot to gather dust.

Number of GGS produced. 1944 February: 8 March: 110 April: 200 May: 250 June: 370 July: 380 August: 420 September: 540 October: 700 November: 720 December: 600 1945 February: 400 March: 1,000 April: 1,100

DB605, if Kurfurst didn't post his revisionist history there would be no reason for the boost/fuel discussions.;) There was more GGS gun sights built (~6800) than there was Spitfire IXs/XVIs built (3971/1054). The GGS certainly weren't gathering dust in some obscure warehouse. Yes as semi-obsolete as the ex trainer G-6s that II./JG53 had. "on 23 April the unit had four Bf 109 G-6s, on 24 April this figure had already risen to 32 Bf 109 G-6s, of which none where servicable, however"

There was 5,548 heavy bombers lost in the ETO. All were powered by radials. There was 5,324 fighters lost in the ETO. They were a mix of radial and inline. Of these 5,324 2,449 were lost to AA. The P-47 did most of the ground attack.

Bubble tops were not that common on IXs. More common on XVIs.

And the most shot down fighter.:D

http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/38801.html/plate-no-xii-maximum-penetration-as-target-suport-maximum-penetration-as-suport-of-bombers-source-history-of-the-8th-fighter-command-31-oct-1944 Range of P-38, P-47, P-51 with various drop tanks fitted.

Well it is certainly many more than the 16 squadrons you claim. Yes the Spit IXs were as semi obsolete as the G-6 and G-14s.

So Kurfurst, you now accept 150PN 25lb/21lb boost for Spitfires and 100 octane was in widespread use during the BoB?

Only if the original document can be produced, which it hasn't been.

On another board the request for C3 fuel availability on German airfields relieved this reply: Kriegstagebuch Luftflottenkommando 6 for April 1945 has a few snippets concerning aviation fuel including reports on fuel available on various airfields on 22nd, 25th, 29th. and 30th April 1945. On this days and also on 2nd and 3rd of April 1945 there was no C3 reported at Prag-Gbelly. Aibling had 2 m3 C3 on the 22nd and 6 on the 25th of April, Kreustrasse had 10 and 15 m3. On both days the amount for Holzkirchen was 6 m3 and nothing for Ainring. Ketterschwang was not listed at all and Salzburg was not under the control of LflKdo 6. A report from 23. April 1945 list two railroad-trains anticipated, one with 300 m3 C3 aviation-gas. 60 m3 were to be distributed to Pilsen, 40 to Prag and 200 to operational airfields under the control of VIII. Fliegerkorps. On 26. April 1945 Lufttanklager Krailing near Munich stored 710 tons C3, probably the last reserve available. Four days later it was ordered to disable the facility (“Lähmen”) and to transport all fuel on trucks or in barrels to Aigen, Innsbruck and Zeltweg. On 1. May 1945 is was made clear, that the transport of fuel had first priority, disabling the facility second. When looking on those few reports, it seem quite clear, that C3 was mainly distributed to airfields occupied by Schlachtgeschwader. Quite understandable as the BMW 801 in FW-Schlachtflugzeuge could not operate on B4. To list only some exampels, on 30. April 1945 Zauchtel had 17 m3, Schweidnitz 20, Prerau 10, Wels 44, Hörsching 37 Graz 17. On the other hand, there were also airfields without active Schlachtflieger-units with relatively large amounts of C3. By way of example on 22. April 1945 Füstenfeldbruck had 24 m3, Gablingen 34, Lechfeld 33, Neuburg 20, Wörishofen 18, Erding 19, Neubiberg 30, Schleißheim 21 Reichenbach 26. 1m3 = 1000 l. I./JG27 (21.4.45 - 3.5.45) and III./JG27 (20.4.45 - 2.5.45) were at Bad Aibling having only enough C3 for 5 sorties on the 22 April and 15 sorties on the 25 April, if no drop tanks were fueled. As there was no C3 at Prag for III./JG27 (4.45 - 20.4.45), no boost increase. Kreuzstrasse (III./JG53) (13.4.45 - 1.5.45) was a little better off with enough C3 fuel for 25 and 37 sorties on each of the days, if no drop tanks were fueled. Left Fürstenfeldbruck 13.4.45 so any fuel there was unavailable for use. IV./JG53 - Ketterschwang (22.4.45 - 27.4.45) and then to Holzkirchen (27.4.45 - 30.4.45) with enough C3 fuel for 15 sorties on each day, if no drop tanks were fueled. Not enough C3 fuel to have all the operational 1.98ata K-4s airborne. Hardly worth changing the boost limit when B4 was readily available in larger quantities and thus having ALL operational a/c in the air.

Isegrim, google books by Dietmar Hermann. This is a person you can trust when he says something. There is no revisionist history by him.

With that argument Kurfurst, then you have no problem with 150PN fuel/25lb/21lb boost used by 30 squadrons of Spitfires of the 2TAF. You also ignore that there was Fw190s(BMW) and Ju188s(BMW) in Lw.Kdo. West that absolutely required C3 fuel. There was also Ju88s but it is not know how many were G-1s(BMW) or G-6s(Jumo). That 284,000 l. of C3 you claim (no documentation posted) was in Bavaria had to be divided up among many bases (~12) and much of that would be lost for use by the supposed 1.98ata units due to the frequent base transfers by the supposed 1.98ata Bf109 units. With BMW powered a/c having priority for C3 fuel that doesn't leave much for the 66 operational supposed 1.98ata 109s. With 350,000 l. of B4 available, those supposed 1.98ata 109s would be using B4 as that would be the fuel easily available for them to use rather sitting on the ground. Maybe by the time those supposed 1.98ata 109s (I./JG27 3.5.45 - 8.5.45, III./JG27 2.5.45 - 5.45) got to Salzburg they did use 1.98ata as some Fw190(BMW) were also based there. But then Salzburg is in Austria, not Bavaria.

III./JG301 started to be equipped with Ta152Hs but this could not be accomplished and the a/c went to Stab JG301. Supposedly, as NO documentation that they did has been posted.

That is an interesting last comment otto, because on Kurfurst's site the data sheet he has for the DB605DC engine doesn't show 2000hp @ 8000m. 8000m is well above FTH. MW50 is used below FTH. MW50 is required to achieve 2000hp.

IV./JG53 was disbanded 30-4-45.

There is an aviation expert (??) that states that no unauthorized modifications can be made to German a/c. As there is only 4 Gruppen authorized to modify their a/c so 1.98ata can be used, any other 109 unit can't modify their a/c to use 1.98ata.

B4 + MW50 was used on 109s

Zellhausen (GER) (50 01 00 N – 09 00 40 E) General : operational airfield (Einsatzhafen I) in Hesse 24.5 km ESE of Frankfurt/Main, 13 km WNW of Aschaffenburg and 1.2 km E of Zellhausen village. 3 Apr 45: Aschaffenburg-Zellhausen area taken by U.S. 7th Army Operational Units : II./KG 53 (May-Jun 40); III./KG 55 (Aug-Sep 44); TGr. 30 (Aug 44 – Mar 45); II./KG 55 (Sep 44); II./JG 11 (Dec 44 –Jan 45) LOL, someone made a comment about anothers geographic expertise.:music_whistling: Frankfurt is ~260mi SW of Berlin

http://kurfurst.org/Engine/Boostclearances/605D_clearance198.html http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2099002&postcount=128 Please note the deliberate editing for III./JG27 in the first link. There is further conflict where Kurfurst says in one of his articles: III./JG 27 - Bf 109 K and some 109 Gs III./JG 53 - Bf 109 K and some 109 Gs IV./JG 53 - Bf 109 K and some 109 Gs

Unfortunately for you Kurfurst there is production, in stock, and consumption numbers for 100 and 150 fuel. The same can't be said for C3 fuel. All you can give is an in stock number and NO source for this number (ie NO document image) There also has been no document image of OKL, GdJ-Grp. Qu-, Br. B. Nr. 1561/45 g.Kdos. ever posted. I have yet to see a pilot comment from the 4 Gruppen on using 1.98ata but there are numbers of pilot comments on the use of 100 and 150 fuel. In Luftflotte 4 (SE Germany) April 9 1945, there was 116 Fw190Fs (525 l /a/c) which required C3 fuel. Yes I can see these being grounded because C3 was going to 1.98ata K-4s. NOT.

Old saying Sith, it is not the a/c but the pilot.

What do you have that supports 1.98ata operational use? It should be noted that Kurfurst does not accept stenciling that says 100 octane (BoB) and 150 octane on Allied a/c. A C3 decal on a K-4 does not mean it was a 1.98ata K-4. Considering what an operational pilot said said about the K-4s he picked up, they were NOT well built.