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Not me. I fly all planes. I get bored fast with one particular plane.

My first "air sim" was RETAL playing it on 386SX.

I think MIG has less powerfull radar than flanker.

Have you seen this post in that thread: :D

LOL, leak your bank account details.

All they'd have to do is to set textures and visibility range to medium and it will be fine. I fly with 40+ fps with 4AA and 4AF no problem. AMD4000, 2GB RAM, 7800GT.

Well, if they will like the game they may get FC too.

Did they include FC too ?

Weta43, regarding my post: ^^ This is my personal suggestion to devs for the Su25T in BS. People who have FC will be able to fly it, and people who don't will see others fly it. The AFM code (but not the actual cockpit and avionics) will allow players who don't have FC see others fly it.

The new title won't be out for 2 years at least so I couldn't care less about that. However, I want more people to be playing online when the two versions (with and without FC) will be compatible with each other. And from your example, only 4 out of 40 people bought the SF addon, how many do you think will bother with FC ?! Don't forget, that some of the people who will get BS won't be necessarily interested in jets. Again, this whole issue applies only if devs would decide to include choppers in jet missions. More people = more targets, more fun, clans, leagues, etc.

In my point of view, all of these "network code that made it more stable to play it online" and "LOD details were also fixed" should have been made available for free to fix the buggy 1.02 version. I would advocate to introduce these fixes to BS version, this way the owners of Lockon v1.02 + BS will have all of these benefits. Su-25T AFM code will be added to BS but the players without FC (Lockon v1.02 + BS installation) won't be able to play it in either SP or MP unless they buy FC addon. You can leave the code in the game without letting the user fly that plane [remove the cockpit + avionics]. They will play 1.12a (or 1.02 if they didn't buy FC) as we do right now.

No, SF is not a patch but you could still use its weapons in vanilla BF2 without seeing SF soldiers there. See what I mean ? Patch fixes all the current planes but does not add new ones. I don't see a reason for devs not to apply jet fixes introduced in FC to Black Shark.

Maybe I am not making myself clear. FC is just a patch (with all the fixes to 1.02 version) + Su25T (which is the main selling point of FC). Let's assume that Black Shark will allow to have online missions where jets and helicopters can be played in one mission. You can either choose jet or a chopper and go by your business. So, I simply want to have one compatible version of BS that will allow players with FC installed or without it to fly at one server with one version. The players without FC won't be able to choose Su25T to fly but they would still be able to fly other jets and choppers. I don't see any reason to not include fixes introduced to jets in FC to Black Shark edition. It's just you won't be able to fly Su-25T without FC. Keep in mind, Black Shark won't be a stand alone game. It will still be an addon to original Lockon (Ubisoft license).

I will buy BS 100%. I was referring to people who would get BS skipping the FC.

That's the problem I'm trying to highlight. I would want to be able to fly with people who have installed BS without FC. Now I don't think anyone knows yet how the devs will implement this. They will either prevent access to the server itself or Su-25T selection in coalition screen. So I try to advocate the later idea. Also, we don't know yet how the online play will work. Whether the gameplay will include both helicopters and jets in one mission or not.

Well, this concept works really well in BF2. As a matter of fact, most of vanilla BF2 players did upgrade to Special Forces addon just to have those weapons. From my perspective, it might work well in terms of marketing, and will make BS players life easier by being able to fly in the same version as people without FC addon.

Here's what I thought. There will be two groups of people who will own Black Shark: a) Those who bought Lockon + FC + BS b) Those who bought Lockon + BS Let's say the Black Shark will introduce 1.3 version of the game. Now how will all those people be able to play in one multiplayer game when some players will have Su25T and others will not ? The answer: in online multiplayer coalition screen the players without FC won't be able to select Su25T to fly but would still be able to see other players who own FC fly it . This is similar to Battlefield 2 when players who own Special Forces addon use SF weapons in vanilla BF2 but people without SF addon cannot unlock them. In other words, for the players without FC addon they will still have SU25T in game but they won't be able to operate it (cockpit, instruments, etc). Hopefully, that makes some sense. :doh:

ЛО, в принципе, очень неплохой симулятор. Единственно в чем он уступает Фалькону это динамическая кампания, и в некоторых средствах ведения войны по наземным целям. Отсутсвие возможности кликать в кабине не считаю особым минусом. Например, в Ф4 я редко кликаю внутри кабины, в основном использую горячие клавиши. А так, флайт модель, динамика ракет внеконкуренции. Ну и самый плюс ЛО - мультиплеер!

This post needs more attention. I add my vote to disable the externals and ability to see other planes (through F2).

Sounds interesting but I'm affraid it will end up in a pissing contest...kind of like this

I've heard there will be new functions in editor and possible dynamic campaigns.

also it would be cool to add people running around, and lawyers ready to sue the airforce that drops those fuel tanks :D

Oh, I can similarly present many russian websites :D

Although russian planes are really good at airshows I think it's unfare to automatically assume that they suck in BVR. They may not be the best planes against F-22 but have good enough avionics to wage warfare against 4th generation fighters. Also, keep in mind that not all countries are looking to buy planes to counter F-22. For example, India wants to counter Pakistani AF, etc. Extra manuevrability which is seen at airshows can't be bad. Or you want a simple flying brick with uber avionics ? Dogfight is still not taken out of equation.

Yeah, I've heard all that before...everyone can run their mouth without proving anything with some reputable sources. I'm not trying to prove something just wanna see the source. As far as my statement that R-77 is as good or better than Aim-120, here some sources: http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/weapon/r77.asp http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/aa-12.htm http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/aa-12.htm Still wating for the link to source where RuAF wants to replace R-77 (I wonder what variant ?)