Triggerhappy69

Update 16.june 2008 To AlexRC: Your right.. Got a bit carried away there..! This has been an intense weekend. I've been of playing football with my co-workers. And ended up being rushed to hospital in an ambulance with full sirens and flashing lights.. Got sprayed in my face (by mistake) with one of those cooling spray-cans. Just as I was inhaling.. Not a good idea..! But after some time on oxygen and a good long talk with the worlds most perfect woman ( Yup Ingvild.. That one is for you) I am now feeling well again.. But back to the pitbuilding update..! I finally capitulated and got me a coordinate table for my benchtop Dremel.. I found that it would help me in both making the more complex panels, and the Trigger mechanism. It has a work area of 150mmX150mm witch will be adequate for most of my panels, and really isn't that expensive. (I will be attaching some small stepper motors to it, so I can run it as a simple benchtop CnC mill. But that's not the main reason. More of a "because I can" thing I guess..! And if it works fine I'll be using it for engraving the text into the bezels for backlighting) Trigger Mechanism has it's main parts designes now. And as you can see it will be made completely ut of 4mm aluminum sheets: It will be cut out with a hacksaw and hand shaped to get that "sand -casting" look that the real thing has.. That's all for now guys.. Cya!

That is so cool..! I've been experimenting with re winding the anchors of some old 52x CD-ROM's for a micro RC Hovercraft project myself... Not nearly as complex as your project, but maybe you could help me with a little dilemma? I'll be using two quite strong brushless motors in the hovercraft. One for propulsion amd one to inflate the segmented skirt. But my initioal plan was to hack the electronics from an old Mini-Z car and use to control it. The converter from the throttle output to a brushless controller I'll just buy (I just can't be bothered firling with it since someone already have made one and sell on the net). But the lift motor will be running at constant speed all the time and will be triggered by the current coming out of the mini-Z electronics. My question to you is: Is it possible to just remove the small motor-controller card from a CD-ROM and use that to run the brushless motor? It has three hall sencors, so I guess it's some kind of constant speed controller? And can I still rewire the anchors with thicker copperwire to get some more torque out of it. Naturally I'll replace the gliding bearings with some ball bearings as well.? Ps, Got your PM.. I'll add you ASAP to my MSN

:music_whistling:... Honestly..? Some time ago I had to sit down and decide weather to get a working cockpit by the time BS is released, or accept the fact that this will be a project that will take me another couple of years before it's done.. I will not by a long shot have the whole pit done by the time BS is released.. At least not the way things are now.. But It's actually not a big deal for me. I have a sh..t load of learning to do to before i am able to build it the way I want it. And I kinda enjoy the process as much as the result.. (I know.. I should seek professional help:cry:) I have come to the conclusion that I'll have the controls done and operating, with funtioning force trim on both cyclic and pedals, by the time BS is released. And probably the left lower pedestal with the three panels and levers... The Collective is done now and all the switches have been connected. The rotorbrake mechanism has been simplified substansionally into only three moving parts and a spring. So as soon as I find time to assemble it and make sure it works perfect I'll post a final update. Right lower panel is next in line. (NAV keyboard and so on) And then the left wall with the switches (building this has to be done after the left lower side and backwall is done, because only then I can see how it doesn't interfere with my line of sight out the left window..) Also I can fly the BS Sim, and get used to it's use, while I build it. So we can make a bet right here and now mate.. My bet is on you..! LoL.. :doh: I'm just having such a blast learning all this stuff about electronics and mechanics and how to build "stuff".. Remember, I had no clue when I started this.. And if it takes me 5 years to make it PERFECT.. well then I'll just enjoy every day of it.. And as soon as the KA-50 Pit is done (knowing me) I'll probably give it to someone and start another one..

KA-50 Trigger Mechanism Just a quick update on the finished drawings for the trigger mech. I'll be making it out of 4mm aluminium that I'll cut out with a hacksaw, and just bang into submission and shape... The holes that the triggers rotate around are 8mm in diameter, so I'll just glue two 4mm plates together and spend some quality time with my trusted Dremel to grind it into shape. I'll get back to you on how it works. But I can say as much as my best guess is to have both triggers springloaded so that you can only use on at the time. And when the payload trigger is in the upper position it activates a switch. The payload trigger actually press the same switch as the cannon trigger.. BRILLIANT..! At least that's how other Kamov helicotpers work..?

... Hmmmm...? I do still have three electric linear drives that could move the pit with maybe 3DOF.. But I was kinda planning on using them for the Force-Trim on the stick and pedals.. But it does look really tempting.. ;-)

I have sendt out some drawings today.. But you guys might have to download e-drawings from the Solidworks website and install it.. It's free for anyone to use. If you preferre DXF or PDF files (PDF files will have dimensions on them) just PM me.. However this might take a "little longer".. LoL The PCB's are made with Eagle PCB maker. Whitch also is freeware ( actually I use the PRO version since the freeware only can make PCB that are quite small. But I think you'll be able to open the .BRD files and export to BMP files in the freeware version to).. Anyway.. again just let me know.. Later dudes.. I'll post the second half of the update later tonight..! c",)

R-800 Panel PCB and Panel. I have Just about finished the R-800 panel today.. And since it's one of the simplest and smalles panels (alt least layout and backlight wice). I took the oppurtunity to try out some different methods of panelbuilding.. Needless to say, I found myself failing misserably in finding a decent way of making the panels both look good, and be simple to make with just basic tools and time... I have tried the method I used on the APU Panel, and it came out ok. But I wanted more than just Ok. So I started experimenting with two more methods. (Pics are on the way. I just have to download from camera..) his is what the panel originaly was drawn like.! Using the same method of Bacplate-Backlight screen-Textplate from paper print with plasticsheet-1mm Plexi as the APU Panel. The PCB had the layout transferred onto it. And managed to produce what will go down in history will go down as "the worst, most amateurlooking PCB ever".. I can't even muster up courage enough to post pics of it. But I did eveything wrong! Stupid things like using so much heat on the solderiron that the solderpads came off the PCB plate. And manging to cut tracks so I had to make a "bridge" form what looked like solder-turd.. Brrrr.. I dread he memories..! Also after soldering EVERYTHING on. I found myself puzzeled by the fact that the PCB was stickin' 3cm out from the Lower Left Panel module sidewall.. Another sobering moment for my overgrown self-confidence there...:huh: Then I tried using a 4mm Plexi with the backlight LED's just protruding into it in 3mm holes. The holes were drilled only 3mm into the plate. This making the backlight LED's shine inside the plexi plate. By doing this plexiglass takes on simular proterties as fibreoptics. So if I sanded it so it got a dull surface the light would be reflected back into the plate.. And by painting it shiny white on top of that will prevent light form being absorbed by the dull black paint on the outer surface. And he adding the black on top: And then sanding away the paint from the insides of the holes where the switches and green LED would protrude. I would force the light bouncing between the inner walls of the 4mm panel only shine out arround the switches! The new PCB was made from a scrap blank board, and turned 90 degrees counter clockwise, so it would be nicely tucked INSIDE the module. A new backplate was made for the new 4mm backlighing plate. And they were test fitted. Made sure I stuck precisely to the dimesions in the drawings this time. Since I am preparing to send out drawings of the final versions, I want to make sure the drawings actually just work. So you don't have to reinvent the wheel.. The working PCB's: Both layers. Top Layer. And Bottom Layer. The text was hand milled into the face of the 4mm plexi. After both layers of paint had dryed.. How that went you'll have to wait for till tomorrow.....

Go Viper.. Go Viper.. It's your Birthday.. Nanananna...

I know, but they seem worth the extra money.. I have used some MEC tactile switches before, and they just "feel right" Well to be honest I have to work out how exactly I'll make the brakes first. And then see how the whole Collective arm balances. But i'll definately put some kind of friction brake there if needed Pics. Pics.or link..:( Go for Hall effect from the beginning.. It's so much more precise, and not as hard as you think to set it up.. I have converted all my joysticks to Hall Effect Sencors, and I can't say i regret it for a moment..! Honeywells SS495A1 sencor is really easy to set up using just a rod magnet or two small disc magnets for the pedals. And you don't ever have to worry about spiking or the pedals not being precise..! :thumbup:

WHAT..! No Happy Birthday thread for Pilatosso..!? I will more than gladly join in a roaring Birthday song for him..! ...not sure he would like to hear my singing though...

31. may 2008. Update on Rotor speed Governor box Rotor Speed Governor Box is officially done as far as the main mechanics go! I still have to make the "curtain" that slide over it as you move the handles up and down, but that is not high on my list as of right now. Changes: - changed the front guiding plate to allow the handles to move a little less up and down. - Now both handles move as one. - finished drawings.. Someone asked for drawings a little while ago. Although I have forgotten who it was. Now the drawings are done, so if you want them just PM me and I'll send it..!

Here's what I'll be using: I sendt an email to MEC Switches in Denmark and they supplied me with the norwegian distributor. AND a brochure with all they're switches. The one in the lower left corner is backlighted with different colors. And the bezel is see-through so you can stick a printed sheet behind it. Also they have support frames in a 5x5 pattern for the RDF panel or the overhead panel. the bezel is 14,2x14,2mm so It should look sweet in size Check them out on http://www.mec.dk Oh I will my friend ..I will..! And I'll keep picking your mind for info to:cry:.. LoL BTW.. Did get to go see your girlfriend? I hope all is well..? As far as my own pitbuilding goes, I have finished soldering the APU panels switches now. And made and painted the switch-extenders. Just a bit of details like the colored rings around the top right pushbutton, and it will be 100% done! The R-800 panel has undergone some changes. It's now 10mm wider and higher. And the PCB for it will be etched tomorrow. (I made an attempt on making it as neat as Alex Rc's PCB, and failed misserably). I'll post pics of both the ruined one:doh: and the new tomorrow. The brake system on the collective is another work-in-progress. I will be using brakes from a montainbike. But have'nt decided on the mechanics for transferring the force from the handle to the brakes yet. The Rotor Speed governor handles next to the collective stick have also been changed. Now the two handles are moved as one (as seen in the startup video). No point in making things more complex than they need to be. And again pics have been taken, but not uploaded yet. Pedals... Well.... I want them to look like the real thing.. And have Force-Trim mechanics incorparated into them. So They have been put on hold until I have finished the... Trigger mecanism: This will be a joy for me to make.. I'll be making the mechanism as true to life as I possibly can. It will be hand made out of sheets of hard 4mm aluminum. A see a lot of time with my trusty Dremel here. But I just know it will be worth in the end.. The drawings will be finished tomorrow. and posted here..!

...LMAO...! :thumbup:

.. I just have to share Red Dogs kind words with you guys. http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.825 This actually means alot coming from a pitbuilder of his quality. And also I just like for all the guys working they're behind of making software to promote LockOn pitbuilding, and all my fellow pitbuilders, and not to mention the MODDERS, to get some positive feedback..! You guys put in A LOT of time for a hobby.. And we all benefit from it..! (Leaning back and bathing in happy thoughts and bright colors:thumbup:)

Forgot about the pedals.. It's kinda on.. well... hold right now.? Becuase the new ones would be in the way of the ones I use now. And I spend a lot of time flying these days, so I just put it on ,, well.. hold for a while.. But I'd like to see pics of yours though? *Cause I can't seem to settle on a spesific idea.. Pics...! Pics...! Pics...!

Make it from scrach..? Hell no.. ! :smilewink: I was going for the same idea as you, but I found the brake handles for motorcycles just a little ... more massive, if you know what I mean? They just seemed better.. As for the brake I'm using the brakepad thingie from an old mountainbike that push agains the walls the collective is supended in.. Had a whole bunch of complicated and probably not well working ideas before this. But then I saw the brake arm's on a kids bike and whent.. "Hmmm.. that looks like it could actually work..?"

Every now and then I come across postings that makes me smile..:) And here's one that will be in my all time favourites hall of fame..! Why do we like LockOn..? Because we do..! We all know we like LockOn..! We simply wouldn't be here, on this forum, if we didn't. But all of us now being some place in between the "0ld" LO we all love playing, and in waiting in antisipation for the Blackshark to be relased. We are kind of suspended in a state of knowing something better is almost within reach, and practicly tasting the sensations it will give us. And being painfully aware of the fact that IT WILL BE BETTER THAN LOCKON..! But it will NOT BE LockOn..! LockOn has made this comunity.! It has gathered us all for whatever reason we all have.! Being it squadrons, online playing, orgnized Squad vs. Squad challenges, or just the simple joy of having a common "bullseye" for all of us. So that we can share thoughts, ideas and improvements. And actually be heard..! I had NO online gaming experience before LockOn. And don't really play any other games. But hey.. that's just me being a simple guy.! So you can imagine my jaw dropping wjen I first joined a squadron, and saw the amount of work and organisation that was put into running this.. And the level of expertise amongst guys that have no connection to the aeronautical industry at all. I have seen guys working in "on-the-foor" jobs showing a true leadership potential.! Working a 6 ship fighter flight and not missing a beat..! (witch is really strange considering how all you fighter-jocks go on and on and on on TS! It leads info overload for us simple bomber guys:music_whistling:) I have had the true pleasure of flying wingman for someone I have never even seen in real life. And still would consider a friend..! I have come in contact with people from Indonesia to Poland and found them all to be just oridinary guys like me. Thinking ordinary thoughts, and having ordinary problems with extraordinary sollutions.. And it would not have happened without LockOn.! Sure, I would like to say that what I like about LockOn is dropping from 5000m down on a convoy of mixed targets. Dropping my bombs WAY to high.. flatting.. do an inverted immelmann to find myself perfectly lined up on the convoy, and then ingress again with Gunpods blazing taking out the remains.. But I would would be lying..! What I like best about LockOn isn't LockOn at all.. it's you...:thumbup:

Sometimes I wish I could make a screenshot and stick in my head for rainy days..! If anyone are acting as an inspiration here it's you guys giving me feedback like this.. Thank you..! c",) Though it's sunday I'm stuck at the office working all day, but I'll try make a post of the collective brake sollution tonight. I just have to rig it up and confirm that it really does work.. If so I can finally post drawings I that I can vouch for for both the collective box and the left pedestal with it's bells and whistles..! The R-800 panels switches has been soldered on to the PCB now. And AGAIN I'm kicking myself for not keeping all the solderpads on one side. At least the ones where the switches are connected to the PCB.. Makiing PCB's are easy.. Maiking GOOD PCB's is damn hard..! It's like forcing my mind to multitask, and think ahead.. Neither of whitch I'm specially good at..!:cry: But We'll get there.. :) Slowly but surely the cockpit is coming together and working.. I think I'll probably be the only one saying thank god BS has'nt been released yet.! Building this makes me think of the shear complexity it ust be to actually code the simulator and all it's workings.. So today my hat goes of to ED and the BETA testers for the work THEY put down in making BlackShark. AND all you fellow flightsimmers for all your encouraging feedback and helping comments. I REALLY mean it when I say that I would givven up a long time ago without you..!:thumbup:

Update pics 23. may 2008 Been real busy at work lately, so I haven't gotten a lot of building done. But there has been a little progress.. I have started soldering the wires on the APU's switches (doooh.. Like you didn't figure that one out from the pics, right) As far as backlighting it I am still waiting for the new relays to ge here.. And hopefully I'll hvae the R-800 panel node by then as well..! Having run out of blank PCB's (again) I had to use one I drilled holes on that were wrong placed. Top side of the R-800 panels PCB You can clearly see I had to make some "shortcuts" to go arround the pre-drilled holes..) And the bottom side. And this is what it's for.. Started soldering the switches.. A bit of paint on the collective stick.. Major update coming on this one. I have found a design for the collective brake system.. Left Lower Pedestal coming together slowly but surely.. Getting bored with screwing and unsrewing the wires from my power supply I found these quick release connections, and added fuses for safety.. As you can see I have already run out of fuses for the 12V outlet (blush)

Youre so right.. I have ordered 5 Volt Reed relays that will replace the 12V ones. The wierd thing is that the 12V relay from Hamlin will not trigger on a 5V current. But the one from MEDER will? Hmmmm...? Diodes..! I completely forgot about those.. I'll have ANOTHER look at my PCB's and update if needed.. But please do keep telling me these things..! Remeber I am a complete NOOB at electronics and these are my very first PCB boards.. (I have a neeking suspisious feeling they will not be my last though):music_whistling:

Well.. I hate to say that I think I might have made a bid doo-doo here... The relay DID trigger the 12V with a 5V current. But in my enthusiasm I have switched polarity (just as you pointed out NOT to do) and now it's busted.. You're quite right about it needing 12V to work though.. I just tested them, confirmed that it worked, and then mounted it on the PCB.. Looking at the specs paper was saved for later (make that to late).. LoL However this is a small and easily fixable problem.. And I being a total beginner at PCB designing and electronics I just have to get used to stufff like this I guess..? A new relay will be soldered on as soon as I get home..

Well I seem to have forgotten that today is the 17. may, the national celebration of Norway becoming an independent state.. So today is all about the children... The ona day of the year when all children are alowed to eat as many icecreams and hotdogs they want.. It's really kinda cool, but it prevents me from having acsess to my home computer.. I'll make it real easy for you when it comes to the dimensions on the collective stick. PM me your e-mail and I'll sand over an E Drawing with everything you need. As far as panels go, I have finished the APU Panel, and buildt it and tested it and been sitting for hours looking at it being real proud of myself. The upper panel for the R-800 is also finished and tested last night before I left for Stavanger. The lower "mystery" panel :music_whistling: on the left lower console has been cut from 5mm Plexi and should be quite easy to put together now I know the method. The rotor-brake handles and fuel cut-off are mounted on the left lower consol. I'll send it all to your e-mail, and you can pick and choose which parts you want to make use of.!? Gotta run now.. I hear a barbeque with my name on it burning outside..!:doh:

I just popped in and saw this on my way out .. And all I could say was GODDAM..! That's a sweet mod you've done.. Gimme till tomorrow and I'll share all info I have with you mate.. Frдn Sverige alstе? Va kul..!

UGS NX..? Is it so much better than solidworks that it would be worth it for me to learn how to use it? I looked it up, and from what I see it doesn't even resemble SW in the meny/commands? Ok. I followed you as far as agreeing on why 3D modelers dont use a decent CAD software.. I have Blender installed on my pc, and thought I could use my spare time to learn how to make new models for LOFC. But then I opened the program, looked at it. shook my head in dispair and have since not even thought about it.. But I have a lot of respect for the 3D model makers.. The research and finding sufficient info to make a 3D model of ANYTHING must take a lot of time. And then you have to actually build it with as few poligons as possible (whatever that actually means, I just picked up the expression on the Sim-Mod forum and thought I'd use it to sound cool).. DAMMIT..! Why did you say that.. why? Why? WHY??? Now I HAVE TO test UGS NX just because I really dislike not knowing stuff.. Life is a learning process..! And I'm in for the whole ride.. :smartass: But it seems to be a MAC software? Or am I completely off here?

To Rocketeer: have you tried lightly sanding your superflux piranha LED's just ever so slightly with some fine sandpaper? I tried it after reading somewhere that it gives a much softer, but still as bright, light for your panels and pushbuttons..? BTW. I actually did it on ALL my led's just because it looks a helluva lot better.. It seems to spread the light more and.. eeeerr .... Well just try it.. if you want to that is.. No preasure..! LoL