Coyote Duster

Reading your guys' response gave me more hope, just need some wingmen, and to stay fast at all times, when taking on the k4, if i can beat them in il2 1946 I can beat them here lastly, I'm not scared of the Doras one bit, no wonder they're a rarity in the ww2 servers nowadays

All that is very futrating :wallbash: when you're at 350 mph, and you snap turn, that k4 sticks right along with you, no compression issues or nothing, and i've tried to spiral climb them a couple of times only for them to zoom right on my 6 with no problem at all, i can at least out run them on the deck

I agree about the .50s but its not always about B&Z either, the stang was great at energy retention, thus great at "energy fighting" outclassing the 109 in high speed turns, high speed zoom climbs, and high speed spiral climbs. If paired with a wingman they could essentially "drag and bag" the 109.

just because its heavier doesn't mean it has lower performance, the challenger hellcat is heavier than the ford mustang, yet it has better performance lol, idk where you got the notion of bad quality from, american planes are built with the highest quality in mind compared to late war german aircraft, due to constant bombing of german factories, idk either where you're getting this high drag from seeing how the p-51 has had countless hours in the wind tunnels, you ever heard of the term "high speed low drag"? Honestly the d9 is not this axis monster you guys portray it to be, i mean above 15k the p47 runs circles around it, and its twice as heavy! lol The germans never really conquered the high altitude realm. Btw the leading edge slats on the 109 are overrated, all they do is give the aircraft a higher angle of attack, they cause massive drag in a spiral climb, which p47 pilots took great advantage of.

I'm always seeing on here the p-51 was designed as a high altitude escort fighter, it seems that people have forgotten that the p-51s would fly in front of the bombers and sweep the surrounding area before the bombers got into range, essentially destroying and dismantling the luftwaffe from takeoff, to forming up, to landing, many luftwaffe aces lives were claimed by roving patrols of p-51s, same reason why the me262 never really shined, the p-51 was as good on the deck as it was at high altitude, the 109 just retains too much energy compared to the p-51s "streamlined" design and laminar flow wings.

Sundowners

Combat I've heard the p51 max speed on the deck is 360 mph, Why are these Doras outrunning me? And why do Doras get boost as well, also is 67' hdg manifold the max the p51d with boost can get

The new ones do as far as I'm concerned, but that's classified

Let me put this to bed like I did in il2, it's not about who can turn the tightest, it's about altitude speed, energy and TURN RADIUS, just like when people say the p51 can't out turn the 109, it can at high speeds but not below 200 mph, I believe at certain speeds, with the wings swept at the right angle and certain altitude it could hang for a while, you all gotta remember that the su27 is a heavy plane, and just because it can pull a cobra without any missiles and a certain fuel loading at an airshow doesn't mean it's a modern day zero

Don't you hate when people just skip over your post:music_whistling:

Didn't see that, I'm on my phone at work on break lol

What about multicrew later on?

A lot of pilots risked their lives doing wild weasel missions in them too

id fly an ef111 raven though if someone handed me one

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_aerial_victories_during_the_Iran-Iraq_war All I see is dead mirage f1s in this wiki

No they weren't? Look up the stats, there are plenty of Iranian f14 aces, plenty of Phoenix kills, those Iranians tomcats pulverized the Iraqis

You take your precious viggen, I'll take my 80-100 mile edge of the atmosphere flying Phoenixes and, my gbus, my sparrows, my sidewinders and my trusty rio, my impenetrable Nimitz class carrier group and raise you one badass tomcat with a sundowner paint scheme

now that the su27's radar is nerfed, I'm afraid it's all over for the russians

I think it's all too clear now

Man I give up, this is driving me up a wall like a smoker in withdrawal, tomcat if yes awesome, if no then it is what it is :pilotfly:

help relieve the tension:

If the tomcats not going to be released your gonna see ak47s, rpgs and molotovs instead of pitchforks :mad::music_whistling::megalol:

they would, the US doesn't want f14 parts leaking out and possibly going to iran

No lol!!! Those are mothballed f14s collecting dust

It'll come out.....eventually.......