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Ok then, thanks for the lesson GG :smartass:

Aha, yeah that makes at least some kind of sense.. VVS meaning russian airforce or something in that direction?

Really? I thought the mlu version that came in 2004 had R-77 capability.. What was it, SKM or MKS; can't remember.. Anyway I'll take your word for it. Any idea why it's like that? It seems pretty absurd :huh:

I'm dreaming of the earliest Flanker version with active a2a missiles and guided a2g weapons if it's not too hard to get the data needed..

Woah, even better!

No, 1.x missions won't work; it's a new mission editor, new terrain and a new map portion, sorry. You'll just have to make do with the 27 until some kind soul makes a campaign for you..

...aaaand diveplane just released a sound mod that's supposedly awesome (haven't tried it out yet myself due to lazyness.)

What lockon version are we taking about? I know for a fact that there are several really good campaigns for 1.11+

1.12b used to crash frequently on my computer (also running vista,) FC2 not once yet. But this might be system-related and not vista.

Pacman, Asteroids and Super Mario Bros are arcade games. Hawx is technically an actiongame but I understand if simmers call it "arcadeish." Lockon IS a simulator; compare it to Falcon this and Falcon that all you want, but calling it arcade is nothing short of extreme snobbery, at least to everyone not proficient in the real start-up procedures of a real millitary plane or two, and I suspect most real fighterpilots wouldn't use the term either. I'm just sick and tired of people coming from more hi-fidelity sims with their noses in the air calling my beloved, simple, SIMULATOR an arcade game (even though I suspect no offense is meant.)

I think we all agree on this part. There is just no way to eliminate the occasional verbal attack, teamkill, and such in any online game. And I agree that we are in a unique position as simmers. We have a forum that is probably way over par with new concepts and idea to improve our online experience. Yoda's incredible work is a good example; I remember suggesting that there might be something to be done with taxiway takeoffs in his thread, and maybe 12 hours later it was allready wip, 10 more hours and it was implemented in the mod, and soon after almost no servers had taxiway takeoffs because engines would spool down to idle if you exceeded 50kts I think it was on taxiways. There is so much potential in this community; let's focus on making our online experience even better with ideas like Tom posted above, the increasingly dynamic mp missions, the fantastic events, etc.. The odd, rotten apple is pretty much a fact of life, nothing to do with that except striving to teach our new players how to behave online, while strictly enforcing the pretty much universally accepted rules about good conduct that we (more or less) have.

Now THAT is a good idea!

Well, agreed on all points actually. I remember often beeing the one whinig the loudest about all the taxi takeoffs on the 169th when I started flying online about 2 years ago, I always use brevity when flying with others, in fact I pretty much act in compliance with that list when I fly, and I certainly don't think that you or most of the guys that use the term air-quake and arcade don't mean any offense by it. BUT; as GG hinted at, there is a limit to what should be expected of people when they are relaxing and having fun on their free time. When communities of virtual pilots fly more and more realistically together and get closer and closer to the reality of aerial combat operations, I'm thinking it can become easy to forget that there are others that doesn't have the time to or just isn't interested in it (like you said.) And to label them arcade pilots or air-quakers just because they are a more casual kind of virtual pilot (even if no offense is meant, and it's just an old term) is to me extremely unfair and condescending, and I'm betting it have turned one or two necomers away from the community. And the thought of that kinda makes me see red. I think we should separate "as-real-as-it-gets-flying" from general good behaviour, because they are NOT the same thing. So I guess we agree, except on what to call what.. I suggest kicking the terms arcade and air-quake out of our vocabularies, agree on a list of parameter that defines low-fidelity server, medium fidelity servers and high-fidelity servers (or something of the likes, because there seems to be a need for it,) and do ur best to root out taxiway takeoffs and mid-flight exits and general bad behaviour together on ALL servers (unless the server creators approve of it,) that way we don't end up unintentionally scaring off newcomers, but show them a well-structured and well-behaved and friendly community.

Thanks Mustang!

You are very quick to take offense, man. Almost quicker than you are to (seemingly unwittingly) hand it out. Try relaxing a little, read what people are actually saying instead of going instantly on the defensive. You won't get so stung by it.

They look great! Very realistic in my opinion.

Still, it's sometimes the "small" mods that makes the biggest difference.. I'm sensing another tekateka's coastline brewing here :thumbup:

No, that was just mindless compliments. But yeah it beats trolling.

Then you might say "good beginning, but <insert constructive criticism>" like civilized people. That has NOTHING to do with political correctness, just normal, grown-up politeness.

Amen to that. I thought the vid was pretty cool, with nice music and a good feel to it.

Woah second one looks pretty good! Maybe a tad too dark.. Is it possible to change colour? If so, a little more greyish metallicish might lokk good? Anyway, great work mate :)

Name an "arcade server" please. If not "speaking with brevity" is your idea of arcade play; good luck finding a 100% clean "simulation server." Lock-on is a simulation. Maybe not as hi-fidelity as other simulators, but still a simulator. It annoys me how some people in this community condescendingly starts pulling words like air-quake and arcade out of their asses as soon as someone doesn't comply with their standards of brevity-discipline. I think GG put it very well; don't expect people to act like real pilots all the time, but kick them the hell out if they act like assholes.

Those skins are pretty close to giving me a hard-on. Just...wow!

Hey shackman what lo version are you flying? I've been inactive for a while in lo, and could do with getting rid of some rust before getting into FC 2.0 for real. I have some experience with both fighters and strikers (very limited with strikers though,) and giving you some informal, relaxed 1 vs 1 bvr training might be what I need to get back in the game. Interested?

This is so true! Me and Flankerator flew 1 vs 1 BRV almost every evening for weeks on end. Extremely rewarding.