Lex Talionis

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I am not sure about the video in question, but US legacy's, navy or marine's, never had field ILS, except the blue angels. (Shrug)

Not when i flew them.

Yes. My apologies for the "l" in front of the "pod" . My phone auto populated "lpod" from previous txts and i didnt catch it. The harriers had the lpods (IIs i believe) before us . And then the hornets aquired the IIls (again, i believe) after i left the fleet.. There were software/hardware issues with what ver could interface with what jet. And even then, the pilot interface was unique between the platforms used. No two jet platform pilot interfaces were quite the same. As far as navy/marine corps specific 18s, at that time, the jets had been passed arround so much, navy trapped out Ds went to marine non carrier squadrons, some had what was called a "center barrel mod" which was a mod that gave more flight time to an already cycled airframe, then possible rotate back to the navy. In short, i dont think a "navy only" or "marine only" hornet was such a thing anymore .

.... Flew with the lpod on the cheek exclusively. EDIT: as this has been a conversation that has raged on, i need to make a correction. I tend to use "lpod" to mean all "pods" in the same way i use the word "coke" to refer to all sodas, my mistake. The AT pod is what i should have specifically said here. For further clarification you can find me on discord.

precisely

you have the E bracket in the hud, that tells you if your on speed or not. There is really no need for the fcs page, just trim the velocity vector to the middle of the E bracket. That is the entire reason it is there .

Specifically, " I talk/write the way I think. No double standards, no second thoughts, no political correctness, no nothing. So if anyone is offended, well, try to chill out by playing some hallo kitty shitty type of a game." .. except when Mover apparently did what you have exactly advocated for, express his "no second thoughts, no political correctness, no nothing" opinion, you took exception. What exactly are you upset at, exactly? because it all sounds painfully anecdotal and relative to your opinion. Not to mention a bit emotional... and hypocritical. .. not everyone who disagrees with you is a "fanboy". But many who fail to formulate a logically conclusive point tend to revert to logical fallacies like ad hominum.

.. ya. It was never a hard "rule" not to use it, Guess i should have stated that. Was just considered taboo in my circles. cest la vie

Things are evolving. Magic carpet is a completely different beast and a game changer.

really ? AT at the boat ? .. things have changed i guess. It broke the cardinal rule of "flying the ball with the nose" and propagated bad habits . I used it for finding a throttle position for a given speed i wanted. If i was lead i would also use it. Loose cruse as -2, maybe. But anywhere else, just wasn't accurate enough. Might have something to do with that they were marine hornets and things are always a bit shittier if its in the marines arsenal ... beatings shall continue until moral improves

.. i would also regard them as pilot "aids" as they were never intended to actually fly the aircraft for the pilot. The aids were up to the judgement of the pilot. Some things just did not function well enough as to use them in specific phases of flight, i.e. not using auto throttles in the pattern, hell anywhere other than straight and level ... etc. If your overall piloting performance was ever degraded because of the miss management/utilization of an aid, you would be teased appropriately. Understand, non of those relief functions should be able to exceed the ability of the pilot. If they did, it was the mark of a pilot unable to do "some of that pilot sh!t" and justify their existence .

... seriously, I hardly ever used the auto throttles in any terminal portion of a flight (IRL). And we never used it at the boat. (shrug)

you don't use it ... honestly, i rarely used it. Certainly never at the boat.

Never used the FCS page during anything other than start up and EPs, at the boat to set TO trim (as others have said) as the button only sets it to 12. Mover may have different habits/SOPs. EDIT: and on shutdown to see if you have a switching valve failure as you "pumped" the stick ... no need in the game though.

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.. sure you can flair. We flared at the field to not stress the gimbal on the L POD. As long as it didn't impede on habit patterns for when you did go to the boat. I would just stick the landing, nothings going to break ;)

... nice set up, even then i would have a hard time with it. I have mounted the stick in exactly the location you have with the same components, and even then. The way the stick actually articulates is just not right. The force feed back is also not what you would expect and more of a novelty than anything else. Lots of time invested in that. Is that you sitting there in the second picture, and if so , are you in a flight suit ?

... only time I ever used the auto-throttles was to find a throttle position that would give me X desired airspeed (set a fuel flow), then it was turned off. And that was typically on long navigational flights and/or as a section lead. Not at the boat, not in formation as -2, not refueling (basically formation flying) etc. In the jet, the function actually moved the throttle handles, they didn't just hold an airspeed regardless of throttle position (you can see how much of a head scratch this could be) Given I typically used it momentarily, and technical it was considered a "crutch", it wasn't something that is really that big of a deal for me in this game. (I am going to move this over to another thread so i don't monopolize this one, cheers)

... this is what i am discovering. I thought i could get things "close enough", but every time i try and recreate what i have done in the past, it always comes down to "this isn't in the right place, this doesn't feel right ... " I often find myself just turning the thing off and look back at the hardware at a loss. Understand, this is a very unique problem to me. You all have a bit of an advantage in that, however you set things up personally, that becomes your "habit". Only someone who has been doing it one way for years will be beating their heads against the wall. The pendulum peddles made a huge improvement as those swivel guys are nothing familiar to me. The throttle is a bit easier to over look as it only really has one "flight" function and that function is simple enough to recreate. The stick, this is where i am tearing my hair out. I have literally gone through all the various gimbal brands out there. What seams to be working for me now is the FSSB R3 with a 3 inch extension. But where it really becomes apparent that my old-school habits are causing problems is in very precise movements during formation flying. The stick needs to be at a very specific height relative to my thigh as i rest my forearm on it, flying with curves does not work for various reasons so the deflection needs to be correct, so these table top designs inherently don't work, so you get an extension and put it on the floor but now you need to throw the stick through your legs because the deflection is much to great, pitch trim actually moves the stick in aircraft with trim hats so that feels completely off, in the jet the aileron deflection is on a different geometrical plane than the pitch, that makes everything different .... the rabbit whole is quite deep. I am trying to make a stick in my shop that will recreate all of this. If this is not successful i think that will be the end of my "chasing the whale" and i will just play the game with whatever over the counter stuff is out. But i am hopeful. I finally got around to starting a social group and will be posting updates. Its still a few months down the road however as i am currently moving but the effort is coming along.

If i may give some perspective ... A "SIM" models the actual hardware as closely as it does a flight model. Whats more, It is not enough that just the hardware be accurately represented (and this is the single most important point), it is that the way the pilot interacts with that hardware be as identical as interacting with the real piece of machinery your trying to represent. "Close enough" does not work. This is what makes a "Simulator"; it simulates in every respect what you intend to ultimately operate in the way you intend to operate it, while removing the consequences for error. Personally I call this the "operator-machine interface" and it is something that is literally taught on fam-0 before students even strap in. This is why you can have FAA approved sims without any visuals at all. It is as important that a simulator model correctly the way the pilot interacts with the airframe, then just about anything else.

read through this thread and I feel I have to say something .... ... taking a pilot heavily trained in a very specific airframe, then expecting them to perform likewise in a near representation of the real thing, is not, by any stretch of the imagination, an accurate representation of ones ability in either context. It only means you have succeeded in confusing the pilot; capitalizing on there habit patterns by making them no longer viable as they would expect via micro differences . The very reason I have not made any other vids is that I can not yet fly this game nearly as good as I can the real thing. This only means I am not good at this game and nothing more. It also means that this game is different enough to the real thing that what I have been doing for decades, have thousands of hours in, all my real world habits, are not similar enough to translate on a 1:1 ratio. That should tell you something about the validity of the sim and NOT the poor bastard failing to implement real world techniques to play it. I have been doing my best to make what I have as familiar as possible, to include constructing my own controllers, screen set ups that best match various fields of view needed, etc. This entire endeavor from anyone else perspective has been an ass pain of sorts, I guess it just hasn't dawned on me yet. I tell you this so you understand the level of contorting need to effectively "break" real world habits so one can play this game. We all have pretty thick skins, believe me. There is nothing, and I mean nothing, anyone here can throw at us that myself or Mover has not already experienced, In triplicate .... just please keep things in perspective. I engage in the vast majority of discussions on discord for a multitude of reasons. If anyone has any questions you are always welcome to ask and can find me on here. https://discord.gg/eVtu42R

Mover, Where/when did you go through primary/advanced ?

Great stuff Bankler.

I did fly the hornet. Talk to me on discord and i will answer all the questions you have. https://discord.gg/eVtu42R