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No, I have not tried a newer version. The reason is that the release after the one I got broke using Mbucchias external quadviews and Tallymouse Quadviews companion app. Fortuneatly I read about this before doing any update. Then after that they released a new version that fixed this issue, but I held back - letting others do the beta testing And then they released the newest Pimax Play version yesterday that seem to give people this swirls issue in the center of the display. So for me - if it is working - I wait... but.. the newest features with scaling and sharpening would be nice - for example in No Man's Sky VR which I plan to pick up again after not playing it for a long time. No Man's Sky doesn't support OpenXR even, and no dynamic foveated rendering either it seems.

@Calvin.Pimax I don't understand - why is this Pimax Play version still available and also the only version available on Pimax homepage? This Swirls issue seems like a big problem. I am still on version 1.40 for Pimax Play and still use Crystal Super firmware 1.07 because it seems like every new version causes an issue. Now, for DCS I am happy with this "old" combo - Pimax Play 1.40 and firmware 1.07 for Crystal Super because it I don't have tracking issues with my headset, the sound is OK/good, I don't use hand controllers, I don't use the Pimax Play Quadviews but rather mbucchias "external" Quad views - along with Tally Mouse Quadviews companion app so I get to fine adjust my quadviews settings anyway. And this gives me very good image quality and performance i DCS. DCS... Now, here's the thing - I would like to upgrade, the new upscale and sharpening tool in Pimax Play sounds nice for games that don't support Quadviews. But - I really don't want to take the chanche of breaking my DCS performance quality wise - and frames/sec wise.

https://dlappstore.pimax.com/release/play/PimaxPlaySetup_Release_ToC_V1.42.1.177_202509031956.exe

I have some mura in my Super. But it is little. It is no problem. I have to look for it. So, I don’t think about it. My old Reverb G1 and my Sony PSVR2 has much more. Much more.

Have you tried disabling WiFi and Blue Tooth in the BIOS?

Ever tried this: To add DLSS MFD clarity in DCS World, create or edit the autoexec.cfg file in your Saved Games/Config/ folder and add the line HUD_MFD_after_DLSS = true to prevent MFDs from blurring with DLSS enabled. And also, are sure you are running the right dlss version with the right profile? (k)

That 5090 will do you good in lots of other use cases to. Hope you will be happy - but to make sure you will be happy in DCS with Crystal Super - follow the guide in this video from Tallymouse. Personally I have been into VR since 2017, but this video really helped me with the Super and DCS:

Moira has nothing to do with it. I experienced this with my OG Crystal too. No moria at all there, and very little on my Super

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I don’t think that is correct. I also have read this that SSAO solves it. But it does not. If SSAO has anything to do with it, it must be in in combination with something else that we don’t know what is. Weather and lighting conditions impact how visible it is. But it is there, SSAO On or Off doesn’t matter. SSAO off doesn’t matter and I hope that Eagle Dynamics and Pimax don’t believe that is the solution. Because then we will be stuck with the problem.

Comparing the Quest 3 and the Crystal Super on a system with a 9800X3D and a RTX 5090 is … silly I think. I have a 9950X3D (which in games I understand is comparable to 9800X3D) and a RTX 5090 - and I have both the Quest 3 and Crystal Super. The difference in is huge. I understand that Pimax has a pretty low requirement for the Super on their website. Personally I think that is misleading. I personally wouldn’t run it on a system without a RTX 5090 and a good CPU. Maybe a 4090. I have a system with a 4090 too (see signature), but for me that is unsatisfying… You CAN run it on a lower end system, and obviously you do. But I think it is a waste of money because you are missing out on what the Crystal Super has to offer, why it even exists- and you might as well spend your money elsewhere. I understand your concern, because first - the Crystal Super is super expensive- and paying for a RTX 5090 is very very expensive too. Is it worth it? For me - yes. But I am an older dude, Flight sims has been my hobby since 1983, and the investment didn’t bother me as much. 15 years ago I could not have afforded it. Yes, you can super sample the Quest 3 more with a RTX 5090 than with your 3080. It will run a lot better of course than with your present graphics card. But still - physically the Crystal Super has 327% more pixels than the Quest 3 to show…. But with your 3080 you don’t get the experience that is intended with the Crystal Super. What should you do? Don’t know. It’s a lot of money. Maybe enjoy what you have, or try to get a “cheaper” second hand RTX 4090 and enjoy your Quest 3 even better. The Quest 3 gets quite an uplift going from a 3080 to a 4090. Especially since the rest of your system is good.

I don't have the Germany map. But I have the Afghanistan map. I fly mostly the F-16. I got the Apache too, but... never really tried it out My problem now is that my headset is at my cabin, far from where I live. I brought it there along with my PC to test and fly a little during our summer vacation. Norwegian summer = usually lots of rain and <profanity>ty weather. Then I went home here where we live, about two weeks ago, only for a weekend (that was the plan) before I was supposed to return to the cabin - but for several reasons I can not go back to our cabin yet... so. Here I am. Home. Where I have my F-16 "cockpit" and most of my flying gear. But no Crystal Super headset Hopefully I will get a chance to go pick it up later this week. I have read that the Germany map is more demanding, so perhaps stable over 72 fps over Berlin won't be possible. Don't know. The maps I have tested are Kola, Syria, Caucasus, Afghanistan. I have not installed latest DCS update. And I am on an earlier version of Pimax Play, and I don't have the latest Crystal Super firmware either. Since everything worked so well for me I was hesitant to do any Pimax upgrades... Now I have to wait anyway until I get my headset back here.

My Pimax Crystal Super is buttery smooth at its full resolution, though with eye tracking and Quadviews activated. But because the eye tracking is so darn good, it´s increadibly clear and super smooth. Usually I am between 80-90 fps, but I have locked it to 72 to have some headsroom and keep it stable and avoid stutter. Why people have issues - I don´t know. I see some of them use task manager to change priorities for the CPU, others use special programs to choose which core does what in DCS and Windows and Pimax Play ... I have not done that at all. No changes in windows. Game Mode ON probably. Not sure. HAGS ON, GameBar ON, Everything is at stock setup for Windows 11 and in the Bios too. No overclocking either. I have AMD 9950X3D, RTX 5090, 64Gigs of RAM @6000Mhz speed. ALSO - this is on a new machine with a totally clean install of Windows 11. No Open XR Toolkit either. I am using mbucchias quadviews with its companion app to set quadviews settings, and have not activated Pimax Play Quadviews because of that. Can´t have both. I think that my clean Windows 11, with no other headset installs before this one, keeping everything as they are supposed to be (besides using the external quadviews install and its companion app) --- makes it stable, crystal clear and smooth. It is possible.

It was there with the OG Crystal too. I have both I will do further testing later, I haven't been able to fly for over a week.

Pimax Crystal Super render resolution is 6280 x 6240 per eye. So any percentage number must be calculated from this. You can go very low on your peripheral resolution with the Super. The eye tracking is excellent. I think I ended up with the same numbers as in this video more or less. No shimmering visible Sorry I can’t answer about comparison to the Quest Pro.

Ok. The 14900K is a capable cpu. When you get your 9950X3D working as it should I am actually not sure you will get a very big improvement in high resolution VR as the Crystal headsets. I am not an expert though. But for now, your PC seem to be underperforming a lot, and it very well might your CPU that is not behaving as it should. Could it be something in your Bios settings? I don’t know. Before my 9950X3D a few months back I had always been an using Intel CPUs. Since the early 90’s. So when I got this new PC the bios options looked a little different. I actually used chatGPT to guide me through the Bios settings to make sure things were in order. Ram speeds etc.. I guess you had to do a new fresh Windows install when changing your motherboard and CPU. Sure chipset drivers from you motherboard manufacturer are installed correctly too? I hope you get this fixed soon. You have built yourself an awesome system! With an OG Crystal and Quadviews set up correctly your system really should be…flying in DCS.

I was hoping for that because I have read that elsewhere too. But didn’t help in my case.

Why MSAAx4 and not DLAA? DLAA looks way better Also - Process lasso… I know some people use it. I never have. For me it just adds another layer of confusion. And most importantly- I don’t need it in DCS. I use full resolution in Pimax Play. Yes. And that is for the Crystal Super that has way higher resolution than you OG Crystal. And Quadviews not very aggressive I would say. And I get over 72 fps stable, probably closer to 90. so I have set my Crystal Super to 72hz refresh rate - and it is very smooth that way. I have AMD 9950X3D and a RTX 5090. Not sure why you get so low performance. MY advice: follow the instructions in this video. That’s what I did:

The mura thing is way exaggerated I think. My headset is absolutely fine! But since the Quadviews square bug in DCS is not the headsets fault I guess it is not mentioned as much in Pimax Crystal reviews. I have seen YouTube review mention it though. It is also discussed here on the forum. It’s not as visible on the OG Crystal - probably because the OG Crystal is not as bright? I hope it gets fixed though. I tend to forget about it after a while.

I think it’s a DCS and Quadviews combination bug. Not sure who’s to blame. I don’t have this bug when using MSFS 2024’s Quadviews.

It’s a known bug, I think. It is more visible in certain lighting conditions. It’s annoying. Some say if you turn off certain effects in DCS graphics menu it goes away. Not in front of my PC right now so I don’t remember what it is. But anyway - turning off that feature didn’t help me.

I have the OG Crystal and the Crystal Super. The Super wins clearly over the OG in FOV - and all other aspects as well. A clear upgrade. I am very happy with mine.

The edge to edge clarity on the Crystal Super is excellent! I have not heard that it is not good before! That argument against the Super is surprising to me. The lenses are very, very good. «Blurry outside the center of the lense» ?? Nope! Not at all. The negative things I’ve heard about the Super is that some have had tracking issues, and from the first batch of headsets some mura from the panels. I have not experienced any of this myself. But, I only do «sit down» experiences with my Super, flying or car games, so I don’t move around in my room. So no tracking problems for me. If I was to move around in my room I would prefer a WiFi connected headset like my Quest 3 anyway.

Resolution on distant object is insane! You see from my other post what headsets I have (or had earlier) and compare it to. But - I understand that the Quest Pro is a very special headset. Quest pro has 3.46 million pixels per eye. Pimax Crystal Super has 14.75 million pixels per eye. And a much bigger FOV. And a true wired Display port connection… But then again, I don’t have the Quest PRO…. A 327% pixel increase might not be noticeable for everyone Anyway, my Crystal Super is not buggy. If you think you will get a buggy headset, don’t buy it. It is expensive. That is correct. Also, one need the right hardware. I am not sure the 5080 is the answer with the amount of VRam it has. If you are happy with the Quest PRO - stay with until Meta announces their next headsets. They will probably be a good upgrade from what they have today- plus much cheaper than the Crystal Super - which is, I have to admit, a niche product.

I have experience with the Crystal Super. But not with the Quest Pro. BUT here’s a list of all the headsets I have had or still have: HTC Vive HTC Vive Pro HP Reverb HP Reverb 2 Sony VR(1) - PlayStation Sony VR 2 - PlayStation Pimax 8KX Meta Quest 2 Meta Quest 3 Pico 4 Pimax Crystal OG (the one with batteries and eye tracking…) Pimax Crystal Light And now the Pimax Crystal Super for a while… NOT ONE of the other headsets comes even close to the Crystal Super. The Quest PRO is a very low resolution headset. Not sure how one can even start to compare them. The Crystal Super is so sharp! All over the field of view. The Pico 4 is better when it comes to comfort and weight. But is low resolution like the others. BUT - make sure you have the CPU and GPU to run the Super.