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The A-10 has been cleared to carry all GBU series bombs.

Deadman, sorry to say I don't have anything better than you're using. That's going to be one of the biggest problems building a mid-80s A-10 is you going to have to rely on older photos and references for the cockpit. Most of what I have in my collection is Desert Storm and post-DS, LASTE, CMS ect. The aircraft itself (outside) will be eaiser because all these mods only changed the exterior in small ways. One thing to keep an eye out for while building the pit is anything that says LASTE or radar altimeter on any control panel because these items only came with the LASTE mod. I'll try to catch you on MSM but, I work swings (2:00pm-12:00am) so it may be hard to catch you.

Blaze, I'm retired from the AF now and working on the F-16 here at the depot, I put the little Vipers back together after they go through the CCIP mod. They are not A-10s but it's a job. I just haven't had much time for sims in the past year so have been out of touch with what's been happening with LOMAC/FC or whatever it's called today. I even let a friend borrow my copy of LOMAC a couple of months ago, may have to get it back from him now. Father of the Warthog...not really...just a big fan of the old girl. I may have to check-out the SU-25T...

I've been of of the sim arena for a while now and was wondering if FC was an add-on to LOMAC or a totaly new sim?

Deadman, what area of the aircraft are you working on now? To say I have a few pictures of the A-10 would be an understatment and if I don't have what we need I have friends in the field (working the A-10 today) who can get it for me. My biggest problem is I'm on dial-up because of working being done to the systems in my area. I can upload what you need (a few high rez shots at a time) to my website and you can pull them off there.

ALDGEA, I've heard of the project and spoke to some people involved during the early stages but, I have not been involved in over a year. IK, not a problem man everyone can use a refresher in mods 101 every now and then. Deadman, I will download teamspeak and install it. I prefer MSM so send me your contact info. If you want to stay with the original model then it would be an A-10A around the mid to late 1980s. With that in mind the first thing is to deside which ALR system you want and remove the other. As the model stands now it has the ALR-46 "chin-mount" (and maybe the tail mount I can't tell from the images posted) and the "Bug-eyes" of the ALR-69 system. One or the other needs to be removed. If you go to my website at the link below if can see the two systems I'm talking about... http://www.warthogpen.com/A-10_walk_around.htm I'm looking forward to working with you guys also, been a while since I've worked on an A-10 sim project.

IK, that photo was taken during Operation Iraqi Freedom and are very much live missiles and not training. A configuration like this was/is not used very often because the drag of 6 mavericks (you have to load both station 3 & 9 for balance) eats fuel like crazy and reduces you maneuverability so much pilots will almost refuse to carry them. Because Kuwait was so close to Iraq this load was carried a couple of times into combat but, it was used most often to ferry 65s to the FOL. Aircraft would take-off from Kuwait with 6 mavs, fly to the FOL, the LAU-88 would be downloaded with the 6 missiles and replaced with a single LAU-117 and the other 5 mavs could then be used to rearm the aircraft after a mission. I know we’re getting a little off track here but, there are a couple of things you guys need to understand about how aircraft are moded. Mods like the CW mod (which happened around 1989-1992) and the ALR 69 mod are done on all aircraft in the inventory. It can take a couple of years (depending on the urgency of the mod) to get the whole fleet moded. So you can’t say aircraft tail number such and such (like 77-0205) got this or that mod and the others didn’t, it comes down to the time frame it got the mod. There are a few minor exceptions to this rule because the Guard and Reserves have different pots of money but, any major mod like the ALR-69, CW, Night Vision, LAST, ect are done on all aircraft in the active fleet. The reason you done see the CW mod on aircraft from bases like WR and AR is because these bases closed after Desert Storm (DS) before the mod was complete. The aircraft that stayed in the inventory after DS still got the mod they were just assigned to other bases before they received it. Deadman, I would not mind installing a 3D viewer but, I don’t have any program like team speak to be able to talk to you guys. Where did this 3D model come from in the first place? I helped “Wags” with the model in LOMAC and “we” modeled a late 1980s, early 1990s, LASTE 4.0 (no NVGs) A-10 in that sim. What needs to happen is you guys decide what year you want to model and we can work from there.

Warthogmadman987, I'm sorry but I'm having trouble following what you're saying in some parts of your post so, I will answer the best I can. I didn't say, or mean to say, model an A-10C by removing the scoops but, what I meant to say is, by removing the scoops you would model a current A-10A. Maybe I should say what year (config) A-10 you guys are trying to model.

Let me clarify this a bit. Quick-draw allows all AGM-65s on a selected station to slew together. Only one will lock onto a target but, This allows the next mav to be pointed in the same area and, as IK stated, slaved and ground stabilized ready to fire on the next target. This saves a lot of time slewing the next AGM-65 from the bore-site position (straight ahead) to the target area thus allowing rapid fire of the AGM-65s. Imagine you find a convoy and have quick-draw. You slew the first maverick onto the lead and fire, with quick-draw your next mav is already pointed at the convoy so all you have to do is move the piper slightly and you can lock onto and fire on the next vehicle in line. It also helps with hard to find targets, once you found them, all the mavericks are pointed at the same area so you don’t have to find them again.

I have a question. Can you remove the "reverse scoops" on the left side of the aircraft, just forward of the ladder door? Most currnet A-10s (all will be done soon) have been through a mod called If-C (IFFCC) which removes these scoops. Not a big deal but, it would make your model a little more current and, it would even model an A-10C if you ever what to do one of these.

Been getting a lots of hits on my website from this, and a thread in the 3D section so, I thought I would stop-by and see what was going on. I see you're doing a new 3D model of the Hawg.... so how's it going and what can I do to help?

The A-10s LASTE radar altimeter data is invalid above 15K so CCIP doesn’t (shouldn’t) work. Also CBUs are inaccurate above a few 1,000s feet, that’s why the WCMD was developed. Before you ask CCRP uses angles, air speed, and altitude to give a release point and doesn‘t rely on radar information.

Stormin, the jets at Nellis are testing the avionics for the A-10C that's why they have the DSMS system installed,. field unit A-10s don't not have this system...yet. The "Kit poof" for the PE (A-10C) will start here at Hill next week. After that field units will start being moded changing their A-10A's into A-10Cs.

I know there has been a lot of talk and rumors about what would happen to the Avenger cannon if the A-10 fired a full load of ammo all at once. Well here’s the result and NO, the barrels would not be able to be reused! The only thing they are good for now is going away gifts for the troops.

You have to remember the A-10 has turbo-fan engines and not turo-jet like in most fighter type aircraft. Also most aircraft that I've ran engines on (A-10/F-4/OV-10/F-5E) you can't "add" fuel to the engine. You take the throttles "over the hump" and wait until the compresser or turbines (depending on the aircraft) come up to speed then you hit the ingniters to start the engine. This is so the airflow can build-up and push the hot gasses out the back before they can build-up to cause a hat-start. In the A-10 everything is automatic when you that the throttle over the hump. The APU will start engine rotation, which starts the compresser, turbine, and fan spinning. The engine driven pumps come online as soon as rotation begains and because the throttle is in idle fuel flow starts. The ingniters fire and the engine starts. In the A-10 you do have to watch your EGT temps to make sure everything works right and you don't get a hot start. Also the added air flow from the fan helps with airflow through the engine at lower RPMs.

You're welcome and, not really, they are very reliable.

The recole is about equal to one engine (8,900 pounds) and does affect the aircraft's speed but, not as much as one would expect. A full load of ammo is 1,174 +/- 5 rounds or, about 11-15 seconds worth. I know twst pilots who have held down on the trigger (during ammo testing) for 6-10 seconds and they say the only way they knew they had slowed was because of the "chase plane" filming the shoot showed it. They say at most the gun would slow the aircraft (in level flight) 10-15 knots if a full drum of ammo was fired. The only way to "stall" the aircraft with the gun would be to fire a full load of ammo in a climb at low airspeed. Iguna, the device shown in your photos is/was called a "bellett" gas deverter. This was an attempt to drive more of the gun gasses under the aircraft away from the engines. Like Force-Feedback said the A-10 did have problems with compresser stalls during early testing and we even lost one of the first DT&A aircraft because of this. The gas diverter shown in the photo lasted less than a year because of it's weight and the problems it caused during gun 'spin-up". The thing weighted 80 pounds and caused gun mount cracking, barrel twisting, and vibrations in the whole aircraft. The gun gas problem has been corrected by a number of things, better power, the barrels are depressed 1.98 degrees, and the engine egniters fire during gun fire. "We" also wash the engines (including the compresser and fan) anytime the fan speed drops below 2% because of gun gass gunk.

It's been relabled to high and safe.

The A-10s gun rate is 4,600 RPM (at full rate) and the low rate of fire was removed from the Hawg in the late 80s, today there is only one rate "high" and that's it.

ROFL, I guess that's why the AF is spending muli-million dollars on upgrades (Precision Engagement) and airframe repaires (SLEP1) to extend the life of the A-10 out to 2028...because it can no longer do the job of CAS/CSAR....ROFL!!

It's not about what the pilots want it what the pilots need! The A-10s engines are some of the more reliable in the USAF and still meets the original designed specs. If you look at some of the other airframes in the USAF a % of them will be down because they have no engine to go in them...we call them "holes". The F-16/F-15 engines have to be removed for mantenance, damage, and inspections and so many are removed becasue of this the backshops can't keep up with demand. The A-10 fleet have no holes today haven't had any in over 10 years!! So how do you justify new engine? You have to prove the aircraft must have them to complete the mission and the A-10 is not at that point. There are just to many other "project" and programs fighting for what money there is that I don't see the airforce "throwing away" the best engine in the fleet because pilots what a few more 1,000 pounds of thrust.

There are no pre-set airbrake postions on the A-10, there are for the flaps but, not for the speedbrakes. BTW they are called decelarons on the A-10.

That shot is over-exposed and shows the lights way to bright. The shot of the A-10s cockpit below is a little more realistic and, as stated, the brightness levels can be ajusted and all the lights would never be on at the same time.

I guess it's making it way around the aviation community, that's good and I'm happy everyone is enjoying it, that's why we (Missy and I ) made it. Maybe do another one, with a different Christmas song, next year.

I do so love watching the debate.