Hummingbird Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 F-14 design evolution history by former Northrop Grumman VP Mike Ciminera: 1
Hummingbird Posted March 29, 2015 Author Posted March 29, 2015 Interesting note from the video: Because of the F-14's lifting body design, the effective wing area was a massive 1,008 sq.ft. (93.64 m2), resulting a wing loading of a mere 44-48 lbs/sq.ft. between its different versions (that's lower than that of a Eurofighter Typhoon), which goes a long way to explaining the F-14's truly exceptional turning capability.
Hummingbird Posted March 29, 2015 Author Posted March 29, 2015 Another interesting note at 27:50 min: The F-14's advantage in turning capability gave it a 2-1 win ratio against the F-15 during trials in 73.
Hummingbird Posted March 29, 2015 Author Posted March 29, 2015 thank you, You're most welcome :) It's the best F-14 video documentary I've personally ever seen, absolutely excellent!
Basher54321 Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Another interesting note at 27:50 min: The F-14's advantage in turning capability gave it a 2-1 win ratio against the F-15 during trials in 73. Thats a very good video thanks for posting AFAIK ACEVAL/AIMVAL was mainly F-15 & F-14 (Blue Force ) v F-5E aggressors (Red Force) as in the F-14 shot down twice as many F-5s. Edited March 29, 2015 by Basher54321 1
BlackLion213 Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Thats a very good video thanks for posting AFAIK ACEVAL/AIMVAL was mainly F-15 & F-14 (Blue Force ) v F-5E aggressors (Red Force) as in the F-14 shot down twice as many F-5s. Yes, he meant that the F-14 obtained a 2-1 exchange ratio against the F-5E. There were no formal exchanges between the F-14 and F-15 at ACEVAL, but the one informal exchange ended very well for the F-14. The F-14 did have an edge in total victories over the F-15, but his was because it could complete more scenarios per sortie due to it's fuel/endurance advantage. Both the F-14 and F-15 could handily outmaneuver the F-5 up close, so I don't think that maneuverability influenced the outcome much. Great video! -Nick
Hummingbird Posted March 30, 2015 Author Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) Yes, he meant that the F-14 obtained a 2-1 exchange ratio against the F-5E. There were no formal exchanges between the F-14 and F-15 at ACEVAL, but the one informal exchange ended very well for the F-14. The F-14 did have an edge in total victories over the F-15, but his was because it could complete more scenarios per sortie due to it's fuel/endurance advantage. Both the F-14 and F-15 could handily outmaneuver the F-5 up close, so I don't think that maneuverability influenced the outcome much. Great video! -Nick Alright, thanks for the correction :) He then meant that the F-14 got the better exchange ratio vs the adversaries than the F-15 because it turned so much better at subsonic speeds. What's the story behind the informal exchange? :) EDIT: nvm I found it :) "Still, Hoser’s best experience during the AIMVAL/ACEVAL most probably came after the end of the trials. Even if Tomcat and Eagle drivers could not engage each other, Hoser and his RIO Bill “Hill Billy” Hill with Dan “Turk” Pentecost and Frank “Fearless” Schumacher onboard the second F-14, went 2 vs 2 against a couple of F-15 instructors from 415th Training Squadron (415th Flight Test Flight). Both Eagles were gunned down and a gun camera film which showed the F-15 locked in the F-14 HUD almost caused Japan to revert its decision to buy the Eagle." Edited March 30, 2015 by Hummingbird
Hummingbird Posted March 30, 2015 Author Posted March 30, 2015 Details of the AIMVAL/ACEVAL trials: z9faWNV867w
BlackLion213 Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Awesome videos Hummingbird! I saw them briefly last July, but couldn't find them again. Thank you for locating! Great footage of Tomcats in an area that we will soon have a map for. It's fun watching the historic footage of grey Tomcats in action. Also, great discussion on the benefits of the TCS/TVSU and why it was so essential for allowing the Tomcat some BVR options given long-standing ROE. If the LNS Tomcats have TCS, then they can accurately employ the phoenix and sparrows prototypically. That would be great! Great videos, thanks again. -Nick
BlackLion213 Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 The most impressive part of that first video was realizing the stringent/insane set of USN requirements for a single airplane: Top speed of Mach 2.4 Unrefueled combat radius of 500 nm with 4 sparrows Carrier approach speed of 135 kts Bring back of 10,000 lbs (!) Must be able to engage multiple targets including sea skimming cruise missiles and supersonic targets Must be able to outmaneuver the MiG-21 Thats quite a list for 1970. Even today, the Hornet barely covers half that list...with the benefit of the amraam and 30 years of technological evolution. They were asking a lot of that aircraft, no wonder it cost a fortune. -Nick
Grundar Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 That was a great video hummingbird. Love those Phoenix shots and even better hearing of the assumed psychological impact on the deployment of Soviet aircraft - which meant the missile was highly successful without being fired. The Tomcat performance data and discussion is also quite surprising and hearing about all those design decisions was really informative. Also nice to see the official loadouts there as well.
captain_dalan Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 The most impressive part of that first video was realizing the stringent/insane set of USN requirements for a single airplane: Top speed of Mach 2.4 Unrefueled combat radius of 500 nm with 4 sparrows Carrier approach speed of 135 kts Bring back of 10,000 lbs (!) Must be able to engage multiple targets including sea skimming cruise missiles and supersonic targets Must be able to outmaneuver the MiG-21 Thats quite a list for 1970. Even today, the Hornet barely covers half that list...with the benefit of the amraam and 30 years of technological evolution. They were asking a lot of that aircraft, no wonder it cost a fortune. -Nick I guess those were different times back then. They had to assume their potential enemies would try to swarm and overwhelm them, so performance margin was a must. This seams to have been completely thrown out the window today :huh: Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache, F4U Corsair, WWII Assets Pack
Winfield_Gold Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 The most impressive part of that first video was realizing the stringent/insane set of USN requirements for a single airplane: Top speed of Mach 2.4 Unrefueled combat radius of 500 nm with 4 sparrows Carrier approach speed of 135 kts Bring back of 10,000 lbs (!) Must be able to engage multiple targets including sea skimming cruise missiles and supersonic targets Must be able to outmaneuver the MiG-21 Thats quite a list for 1970. Even today, the Hornet barely covers half that list...with the benefit of the amraam and 30 years of technological evolution. They were asking a lot of that aircraft, no wonder it cost a fortune. -Nick Most of that list you will find was based on the many short comings of the F-4 Phantom which lacked really any capability during the vietnam war. No I didn't watch the video but have read enough "comics" and literature based around the f-4
KaspeR32 Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Great video, I just watched the whole thing at work, hope nobody noticed :music_whistling: Intel i5-2500k @ 4.4GHz w/ H70 liquid cooler, ASRock PRO3-M Z68 Mobo, 32G 1600Mhz Mushkin RAM, EVGA GTX970 4GB , OCZ Agility 3 128g SSD, SanDisk 240g SSD, Win7 64-bit --Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/livingfood --
Belgeode Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Another F-14 documentary?!?!?!? (scampers to seat, grabs popcorn, and watches.... INTENTLY!) Thanks for posting this! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] YouTube ~ Twitch
Danneskjold Posted March 31, 2015 Posted March 31, 2015 I foresee full scale, 20v20 Tomcat battles. So excited.
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