Depleted uranium article

AH-64 Apache helicopters fire a huge load of DU from their 30 mm cannon.

Is there really a round type for M230 containing DU? I highly doubt that.

Is there really a round type for M230 containing DU? I highly doubt that.

i don't pilot an Apache myself at the limit that's great but these weapons seems to have post impact effects like the clusters bombs and should be followed closely

Pretty alarmist. IIRC the apache fires HE shells without DU content.

There is so much wrong information in that article that I can't even take the rest of it seriously. And no, the Apache M230 does not fire DU shells.

I've never heard of a DU round for the M230. Here's a little book on Aerojet and Honeywell DU penetrators found in most US DU rounds. In that document contains the real reason why the US use DU instead of Tungsten.

http://nonuclear.se/files/goldstick1984u-bullets-grey.pdf

I also have a very good book on an experimental HEAB round for the GAU-8 if anyone's intrested.

There is so much wrong information in that article that I can't even take the rest of it seriously. And no, the Apache M230 does not fire DU shells.

Yes, but would you wear DU underwear? :)

Would you eat machine oil?

No, but you still use it in your car and it ends up in sewage and water treatment plants and ...

Would you eat machine oil?

 

No, but you still use it in your car and it ends up in sewage and water treatment plants and ...

Reminder: SAM = Stealth STOP!

I fail to see the difference that this makes when it comes to pollution.

You use oil for warfare too, albeit not necessarily directly to cause harm.

But in the same vein, you do cause direct harm with lead, several explosive compounds and steel and who knows what else.

So what was the point then?

Not to detract from the hazard of DU but there's plenty of things on a battle field that can be hazardous to general health. The lead exposed from firing lead core ammunition can cause birth defects if it is inhaled in large quantities or gets into ground water. Burning metal, electronics, tires, plastics, and cordite fill the air when the sh!t hits the fan. I don't doubt that some of the children fathered in these areas are born disabled. War sucks.

I think it's ignorant to place ALL the blame for these defects on DU and it cleary has an agenda of one purpose.

I fail to see the difference that this makes when it comes to pollution.

You use oil for warfare too, albeit not necessarily directly to cause harm.

But in the same vein, you do cause direct harm with lead, several explosive compounds and steel and who knows what else.

 

So what was the point then?

:doh: hahah you beat me to the lead argument. The yugo 7.62x39 M67 round is lead core.

So you guys are OK with the use of nuclear waste as weapon. And how funny it is comparing lead and machine oil with nuclear waste.

Well, I am against the use of nuclear waste as a weapon.

Enough said.

Regards.

So you guys are OK with the use of nuclear waste as weapon. And how funny it is comparing lead and machine oil with nuclear waste.

 

Well, I am against the use of nuclear waste as a weapon.

 

Enough said.

 

Regards.

I understand, but try to understand my point.

I have no problem saying DU is harmful but so are a host of other things not banned. As someone who knows general health risks, I don't smoke, use aluminium-based underarm deodorant, or shoot at an indoor range :wacko: . On the same token, I can't see myself playing on or looting war trophies from a BMP eaten alive by a GAU-8 or drinking well water from an area that was near a battle. Common sense?

In most cases DU is supposed to affect children and unborn babies the most. So does 2nd hand smoke and lead. So why not promote their ban as well? I am fairly certain either one of those two alone are responsible for more defects than DU.

In the end.. do I think civilians have been inadvertly affected by DU? Yes. But I think the problem is more complex. Blaming every debilitating birth defect on DU seems like a haphhazard assetment when other variables of a war are neglected.

ps I've been around exploded DU rounds, so I try to keep myself informed on the topic. To this date I am not ill; let's hope it stays that way.

I've removed a couple of asbestos rooves.. Duno how i'd feel if some foreigner fired them into a tank hiding in the hedgerow opposite my house though lol

I've removed a couple of asbestos rooves.. Duno how i'd feel if some foreigner fired them into a tank hiding in the hedgerow opposite my house though lol

that why i think capitalism collapses regularly but it's a bit off topic

I've removed a couple of asbestos rooves.. Duno how i'd feel if some foreigner fired them into a tank hiding in the hedgerow opposite my house though lol

I wasn't being off topic, it's the same principle really.

'How would you like DU being used on your land' is what it boils down to in the end. Inevitably the people that suffer don't have the choice..

I wasn't being off topic, it's the same principle really.

 

'How would you like DU being used on your land' is what it boils down to in the end. Inevitably the people that suffer don't have the choice..

what i was saying myself was off topic

Ha no dramas, see what you mean now mate :)

DU agona mutato.

'How would you like DU being used on your land' is what it boils down to in the end. Inevitably the people that suffer don't have the choice..

Spot on.

DU Sabot rounds? Perhaps they should learn that tungsten steel is used for SABOT rounds....

Some are tungsten, some are DU.

I highly doubt that. Tungsten steel is almost equal to the density of DU with roughly about half the weight. Dont think many people would be able to man handle some rounds that heavy.

Has any one seen any record describing a warrior asking a civilian for an approval of their weapons.

Not for the last couple of thousand years, it’s only now for the last couple of decades after the trial and error involving the unnecessary distraction of humans and their infrastructure including the blue on blue destruction did the system of warfare get better.

The design of DU is to supplement the power and the use of DU would be either to exercise the weakness or negligence.

In most cases the political measure is the direct result of negligence.

For the purpose of global security and economical fairness where there is no such thing as fair trade on the global scale as yet and the term I.e. national security and international law it’s very much based on economics which carries on with the power of the momentum for weapons design.

If one was to go to war at 50 mil per hour, my heart screams to say about the knock-on effect on the global economy and it's not good.

Some nations would be delighted to receive 1.5 B but 1.5 B wasn't designed for those purposes.