sedenion Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Latest test. The flight model still is a SFM, the EFM is still pre-alpha at this moment and not available for testing. Have we any chance to see a day the famous "snake" hud symbology for guns ? The current symbology seem to be completely fantasy comparing the real Mirage 2000... I think you already know the problem, but i re-post videos for readers that don't know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gliptal Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 It does, it actually has two screen modes: PPI, the one that you see here, and B-Mode, which is the one used by all US aircrafts. B-Mode is not available yet, but it will be.Thanks, nice to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus67 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Have we any chance to see a day the famous "snake" hud symbology for guns ? The current symbology seem to be completely fantasy comparing the real Mirage 2000... I think you already know the problem, but i re-post videos for readers that don't know... Yes, you will see the gun-snake, but that symbology is not fantasy. It is the actual gun symbology that is missing the most obvious element: the snake. All the symbols in the HUD are actual symbols used by the real aircraft. We do not know how many of them actually work, so we have to go by description alone and videos. In the specific case of the air-to-air gunsight there are two missing elements: the gun-snake and the radar-guided aiming point. Those are a bit complex to develop so they are a bit late, but you will have them eventually. This is the gunsight of the -5MK2 and you can see the elements that are in the video, but of course your eyes are drawn to the snake. Edited October 9, 2015 by Zeus67 "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedenion Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Yes, you will see the gun-snake, but that symbology is not fantasy. It is the actual gun symbology that is missing the most obvious element: the snake. All the symbols in the HUD are actual symbols used by the real aircraft. We do not know how many of them actually work, so we have to go by description alone and videos. In the specific case of the air-to-air gunsight there are two missing elements: the gun-snake and the radar-guided aiming point. Those are a bit complex to develop so they are a bit late, but you will have them eventually. Eventually ? (arg, i die)... I have no doubt that is hard to implement (many ballistics and vector projections/conversion) but, PLEASE !! do it :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus67 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Eventually ? (arg, i die)... I have no doubt that is hard to implement (many ballistics and vector projections/conversion) but, PLEASE !! do it :p Oh, we are going to do it. Eventually just means that I cannot give you a date. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard_03 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Oh, we are going to do it. Eventually just means that I cannot give you a date. That's ok, looking good Keep up the great work! DCS F/A-18C :sorcerer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedenion Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) This is the gunsight of the -5MK2 and you can see the elements that are in the video, but of course your eyes are drawn to the snake. I'm not sure, but i think you misinterpreted the image... As you can see in this video the cross at the top of the snake is static, and i guess the quad-circle (in the image) is in fact fixed to the cross (so, is also static) but [NDR: <strike>you made it moving like a dynamic reticle</strike>].... However, i admit that there are many variants, and the good symbology is not easy to guess without any real pilot to told us WHAT is actually the real symbology of the 2000C. There is another one here, where we can see this famous "dynamic reticle" along the "snake" http://s146.photobucket.com/user/sampaix/media/thk_f-16_intercepted_by_epa_m20001.jpg.html EDIT: I rewatched the movie, the quad-circle is not moving... what is moving is a strange large cross reticle (temporary reticle ?)... Sorry for my bad eyes. Edited October 9, 2015 by sedenion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlonic Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Oh, we are going to do it. Eventually just means that I cannot give you a date. ;) The word eventually is a bad friend for french language. It is close to "éventuellement" which means "maybe" in french, whereas eventually actually* means "à terme, finallement" * and "actually" is another bad friend also ^^ /french silliness off Awesome work as usual, really looking forward this beauty. HW : 4790K @4.6 / GTX 1080ti 11GB / 16 GB / Asus ROG Formula VI / Acer Predator 32" 4K Gsync / X-55 Rhino / Oculus Rift-S / TrackIR Combined Arms/Supercarrier/Nevada TTR/Persian Gulf/Normandy F-16C/FA-18C/AV-8B Harrier/F5-TigerII/SA342-Gazelle/M2000-C/L-39 Albatros/C-101/MiG-21/F-86F Sabre/Mi-8MTV2/UH-1H Huey/A-10C Warthog/Black Shark 2/Flaming Cliff 3/Hawk T1A(RIP) WWII : Spitfire/Bf-109 Kurfurst/Fw-190 Dora/P-51D Mustang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedenion Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 ;) The word eventually is a bad friend for french language. It is close to "éventuellement" which means "maybe" in french, whereas eventually actually* means "à terme, finallement" I learned somethin today :D I effectively understands "eventually" as "eventuellement". * and "actually" is another bad friend also ^^ yes... actually => réellement => really... actuellement => currently outch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus67 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) I'm not sure, but i think you misinterpreted the image... As you can see in this video the cross at the top of the snake is static, and i guess the quad-circle (in the image) is in fact fixed to the cross (so, is also static) but [NDR: <strike>you made it moving like a dynamic reticle</strike>].... However, i admit that there are many variants, and the good symbology is not easy to guess without any real pilot to told us WHAT is actually the real symbology of the 2000C. There is another one here, where we can see this famous "dynamic reticle" along the "snake" http://s146.photobucket.com/user/sampaix/media/thk_f-16_intercepted_by_epa_m20001.jpg.html EDIT: I rewatched the movie, the quad-circle is not moving... what is moving is a strange large cross reticle (temporary reticle ?)... Sorry for my bad eyes. That reticle is the radar directed one. It has a dynamic arc that shows the range to the target. In your image you can see that the range is small. The one in the video is the gyro stabilized one. It does not use radar. The open circle is a visual reminder of that. The true sight is the cross with the dot in the center. At least that is the info we currently have. The cross on top represents the position of just fired shell at 200 meters from the aircraft. The snake covers a distance between 200 to 1000 meters. Edited October 9, 2015 by Zeus67 "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dartuil Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 IS that a viggen on screen? i7 2600k -- Noctua NH-D14--Asrock Z75 Pro3--ASUS GTX970 Strix --16Go Ripjaws X 1333--Thermaltake Smart M650--CoolerMaster Silencio 652S--AOC E2752VQ-- Sandisk Extreme II 480GB--Saitek X-52 Pro --SAITEK PZ35 Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theropod Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 IS that a viggen on screen? it is gripen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svend_Dellepude Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) Yes, you will see the gun-snake, but that symbology is not fantasy. It is the actual gun symbology that is missing the most obvious element: the snake. All the symbols in the HUD are actual symbols used by the real aircraft. We do not know how many of them actually work, so we have to go by description alone and videos. In the specific case of the air-to-air gunsight there are two missing elements: the gun-snake and the radar-guided aiming point. Those are a bit complex to develop so they are a bit late, but you will have them eventually. This is the gunsight of the -5MK2 and you can see the elements that are in the video, but of course your eyes are drawn to the snake. A lot of clutter in that HUD! Is it possible to unclutter? I.e. Remove pitch ladder and other unnecessary symbols? EDIT: Sorry if OT Edited October 11, 2015 by Svend_Dellepude Overwhelmed by guilt. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel_108 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I wonder what SPOT, RDR JTX, DCY, A5EL, AAG, BE, TAC, and JET mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I wonder what SPOT, RDR JTX, DCY, A5EL, AAG, BE, TAC, and JET mean. If you find ther french words i will translate it into german for you :) | I9 9900K | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS XI HERO] |16 GB DDR4 HyperX 3466 MHz | SSD EVO 840 1 TB | MSI 2080TI GAMING X TRIO | ASUS ROG SWIFT PG278Q 27" 2560 X 1440 | TRACK IR 5 | THERMALTAKE CORE X9 | HOTAS WARTHOG |MFG CROSSWIND| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedenion Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I think AAG mean "Air Air Gun", and RDR mean "Radar"... that's all i can deduct... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrayen Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Guys, don't look too much into it: the picture is from the HUD cam of a M 2000-5F, so not comparable to what we'll get from Razbam ;) If you find ther french words i will translate it into german for you :) Wrong idea, the 2000-5F HUD is in English. OTOH, the 2000C's HUD is in French: then you'll be able to use your translating skills ;) Anyway: RDR radar BE BullsEye (bearing / distance) ASEL (yes it's an S not a 5) Selected (capture) Altitude F18 SPOT duplicate alert from EW MFD (F-18 radar painting detected) AAG Air-to-Air Guns (mode) TAC Tacan (air-to-air, inactive on the picture, no distance displayed below) ++ Az' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel_108 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Aaah, that makes sense. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tirak Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 So does the gunsight predict lead on target, or just shell ballistics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogey Jammer Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 In F-22 ADF there was that kind of snake for AA gun aiming. What a PITA. With the very high rolling rate of the Mirage, I don't expect it to be easier. I'll buy : МиГ-23МЛД & МЛА МиГ-27К МиГ-25 Mirage III F-4E any IJ plane 1950' Korea Dynamic campaign module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahlbeck Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 The gun snake is a classic. I remember it from Falcon 4 add well. I recall it was quite convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 So does the gunsight predict lead on target, or just shell ballistics? The snake is shells ballistic. With radar lock you have a point on the snake at target range. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiedDroit Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 If you look closely on the "snake", there are bars that correspond to the target wingspan you set, it actually has the same functionnality as the "funnel". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Yes with radar unlock Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svend_Dellepude Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 The gun snake is a classic. I remember it from Falcon 4 add well. I recall it was quite convenient. AFAIK F4 never had proper ballistics, but maybe that doesn't change anything. Always liked the funnel better though. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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