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Anyone else see an issue in the 1.2.8 version for the F-15 where the engine gauge read 96% when going full afterburner. This has nothing to do with taking damage, even taking off from the runway both gauges read 96. The afterburner does come on the needles just don't show it.

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That is correct. The only way to read higher is using the VMax switch which is not currently modeled, and would be limited to a six minute use operationally; it's only used in the HFF intercept.

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They should totally model the VMAX ability. I cant imagine why it wasnt done in the first place given that this is PFM. Maybe will get it when It comes out of beta or something

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They should totally model the VMAX ability. I cant imagine why it wasnt done in the first place given that this is PFM.

 

I think it's more ASM thing, than PFM. If we will get fully clickable cockpit and ASM, I believe it will be there.

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I think it should there anyhow though. I mean, thats a big performance knock, and you could logically filer out whatever system you wanted to just because it isnt ASM......I dont need a clickable button to model a key push.

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They're still using VMax on the -220?

 

That is correct. The only way to read higher is using the VMax switch which is not currently modeled, and would be limited to a six minute use operationally; it's only used in the HFF intercept.

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They should totally model the VMAX ability. I cant imagine why it wasnt done in the first place given that this is PFM. Maybe will get it when It comes out of beta or something

 

I think certain features are left out on purpose in order to maintain a certain balance between specific aircrafts.

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I think you think wrong.

 

Otherwise we may as well take SHLEM away from MiGs and Flankers. ;)

 

I think certain features are left out on purpose in order to maintain a certain balance between specific aircrafts.

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In the documents for the -220 on the ED page under user files, there is a chart for VMAX vs MAX Thrust which shows higher speeds at low altitude than the clean plane. (The VMAX chart specifies the eagle is carrying AIM7s)

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I'm referring to specifically everything. There are no performance 'adjustments' for balance. Period.

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Anyhow, did anyone find out what the actual deal with this is? I mean with the real plane. Those graphs show VMAX, but the throttle guage isnt indicating it if its possible. Is it already implemented or something just automatic? Right now you can break mach 1.22 clean at SL at 20C. According to graphs top speed should be mach 1.15 clean and 1.2 with VMAX(whilst carrying AIM7's) at 15C.

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F-15C is flying now at Mach 2.5, 1650 MPH @35000 feet...how much faster would it go with the VMax switch? If the VMax switch did work to improve the current performance I don't think there would be a plane in DCS/FC3 that would come close to catching it.

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F-15C is flying now at Mach 2.5, 1650 MPH @35000 feet...how much faster would it go with the VMax switch? If the VMax switch did work to improve the current performance I don't think there would be a plane in DCS/FC3 that would come close to catching it.

 

It is already the fastest thing in game. The Flanker at 40-30K is almost 200mph slower. At SL, you are faster by about 30mph.

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Anyone else see an issue in the 1.2.8 version for the F-15 where the engine gauge read 96% when going full afterburner. This has nothing to do with taking damage, even taking off from the runway both gauges read 96. The afterburner does come on the needles just don't show it.

 

 

In the documents for the -220 on the ED page under user files, there is a chart for VMAX vs MAX Thrust which shows higher speeds at low altitude than the clean plane. (The VMAX chart specifies the eagle is carrying AIM7s)

 

Do you have any specifics? I was looking on the user files but not sure which document you are referring to. I not sure about "VMax" If it is anything like Max power switch on the F-16, it is only applicable to -220. It can only be use for a limited time, very limited and it does not affect RPM, only affects max FTIT (Fan Turbine Inlet Temperature), EGT (Exhaust Gas Temperature) for other engines. 96% RPM is the maximum for a -220 engine, anything more and it indicates a problem. Max Power can also only be used in a very limited window.

 

Anyway, if you or anyone could let me know what specific document to look for in the user Files.

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Got it, down loading

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The easiest way to tell if AB is on is PPH increase, nozzle opening up and sound. This is what we used on the F-16, I assumed it is the same for F-15.

 

Also, not sure which chart was referenced.

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I think it's more ASM thing, than PFM. If we will get fully clickable cockpit and ASM, I believe it will be there.

 

IDK. A switch which has the potential to directly effect flight characteristics/performance seems like it would have more relevance as a PFM addition. Certainly more so than the fuel tank display selector that we have for whatever reason.

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As Gas already noted, only applicable to the -220.

 

Realistaically, 96% is about what you would see in VMAX as the -220s normally do not run that high.

 

The book value, IIRC, is around a 2%+- increase and the increase in allowable FTIT as Gas noted.

 

I think the whole VMAX thing is being a little overplayed here. There is not really that much to be had from it. The biggest thing you are doing is removing the protections when things get really bad and you want all you can get. It will more or less allow the core to burn itself up at the expense of giving you that extra oomph when you need it.

 

If the VMAX was implemented, all you get from that is everyone turning it on from the get-go for the extra power. In game, you worry nothing about engine attrition like you would in real life. So what's the use here, really? Give everyone 94% or give them 96%. In the end, everyone is going to take whatever they can get out of it anyway.

 

Just not something to be worrying about IMO as it really has no meaning in terms of a simulator.

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For an aircraft that can climb at over 50,000 fpm, fly greater than 1,500 mph, find targets at greater than 80 nm and can shoot down up to 4 of them beyond visual range and you STILL want more power?

 

Might be overkill!

 

On the serious note, it would be interesting to see if this will be implemented in the full PFM. Blowing yourself up due to mistakes is one of the things enjoyable about a sim.

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Yes....-220's still have the VMAX switch. The switch is actually for one get use. Once the pilot selects VMAX, the motor is done. It has to be pulled and sent to the engine shop.

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