Tango Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) Hi, These are the currently planned weapons for the C-101CC module for DCS:World. Internal bay: * Reconnaissance pod * Single 30mm cannon complete with 130 rounds of ammunition * Twin Browning M3 12.7mm machine gun with 440 rounds of ammunition Under-wing hard-points: * BR-250 bombs * BR-125 bombs * LAU-10 rocket launchers * LAU-3A rocket launchers * AIM-9M Sidewinder * Sea Eagle air-to-surface anti-ship missileWe are currently looking for good references for these weapons so that our modeller can create them. If you have any photos or dimensions that we could use, it would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, Tango. Edited January 2, 2015 by Tango
Flagrum Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) This is interesting. Seems that the C-101CC is one of the more capable and more versatile aircrafts of the trainer/light attack aircrafts we are getting. Nice! edit: can you give some more detail, i.e. designation, of the weapons and pods? edit2: Question: as for the Mavericks - will you be able to re-use the existing code (from ED) or do you have to implement it from scratch? Edited June 11, 2014 by Flagrum
Silver_Dragon Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 http://www.jmu.edu/cisr/_pages/research/iraq-oig/01-bomb.pdf For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
Aginor Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 What kind of recon pod and laser designator are used? Maybe I have a source. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet
Tango Posted June 11, 2014 Author Posted June 11, 2014 This is interesting. Seems that the C-101CC is one of the more capable and more versatile aircrafts of the trainer/light attack aircrafts we are getting. Nice! Yes! When I wrote my overview last night of the C-101CC I was pleasantly surprised at how capable it is! edit: can you give some more detail, i.e. designation, of the weapons and pods?The above is all we have right now. It is quite hard to find any information (perhaps for obvious reasons). edit2: Question: as for the Mavericks - will you be able to re-use the existing code (from ED) or do you have to implement it from scratch?We should be able to use the actual missile from DCS, but how to designate targets, etc.. we don't know yet, and that is the subject of research. Best regards, Tango.
Tango Posted June 11, 2014 Author Posted June 11, 2014 http://www.jmu.edu/cisr/_pages/research/iraq-oig/01-bomb.pdf Excellent! Thanks! What kind of recon pod and laser designator are used? Maybe I have a source. That is unknown right now. Best regards, Tango.
Flagrum Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 Yes! When I wrote my overview last night of the C-101CC I was pleasantly surprised at how capable it is! The above is all we have right now. It is quite hard to find any information (perhaps for obvious reasons). We should be able to use the actual missile from DCS, but how to designate targets, etc.. we don't know yet, and that is the subject of research. Best regards, Tango. Some of the weapons already exist in DCS, like the Maverick or the AIM-9M and should be re-usable as such. If an AI plane can fire them, the C-101 should be able to, too. The flight model and the effects (damage dealt, graphical effects, etc.) should be "DCS global". Other weapons also exist, but need a make over of at least the 3d model (i.e. LAU-10, maybe Sea Eagle, etc.). For the MAV the really interesting part will probably be the target designation stuff, which is currently probably either hardcoded in some DLL (A-10A) and/or in the LUAs for the MFDs of the A-10C. But as probably the visual "look&feel" of the video feed of a MAV will look differently when integrated into a display of the C-101, you will probably need to re-do it anyways.
Tango Posted June 11, 2014 Author Posted June 11, 2014 Yes. Where the weapon exists in DCS we would prefer to use that, but for some weapons it will be necessary to produce a new visual model at least. We may need to create new weapon physics, but hopefully an existing weapon can be used that is equivalent. Best regards, Tango.
Flagrum Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 Some assorted stuff ... maybe it helps a bit. (http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft30696.htm) http://www.airwar.ru/enc/attack/c101.html "Armed with four 19in x 2.75in rocket launchers and a 30mm DEFA553 cannon with 130 rounds, the aircraft is (...)" (http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/aviojet/)
Aginor Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) Ok, so this is not going to be that easy. Let's see.... Random stuff incoming! (as a starting point for searching) Ok, so does anyone recognize any of that stuff? Especially in the third picture the thing on the left. I read something like "Vicur 70-7PA" Does that make sense in any language? http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/7/5/2/2396257.jpg http://www.pictaero.com/en/pictures/picture,184610 http://www.aviationcorner.net/public/photos/7/6/avc_00188776.jpg http://www.aviationcorner.net/public/photos/1/2/avc_00046712.jpg https://hushkit.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/101se.jpg Edited June 11, 2014 by Aginor DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet
Aginor Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) Sorry for double posts, but I have trouble editing sometimes, dunno why... Here's another list of armament, which seems to fit to some things we see in the pictures: Armament 1 30-mm cannon DEFA 553 with 130 rounds Warload - 2250 kg in 6 hardpoints 2 500-kg bombs or 4 375-kg bombs or 6 250-kg bombs, or 4 napalm bombs BLU-27, or 4 ML LAU-10 4x127-mm or 6 LAU-68 19x70-mm or 6 Matra 155 18x68-mm or 6 CASA 06.070 6x70-mm or 6 CASA 18.070 18x70-mm UR 2 AAM AIM-9 Sidewinder, 2 ASM AGM-69 Maveric, 2 anti-ship missile Sea Eagle Edited June 11, 2014 by Aginor DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet
Tango Posted June 11, 2014 Author Posted June 11, 2014 WOW! Thanks guys!!! :D I'll make sure our modeller sees this! Best regards, Tango.
Tango Posted June 11, 2014 Author Posted June 11, 2014 I read something like "Vicur 70-7PA" Does that make sense in any language? I thought I read the same thing. Google returns nothing (so far). Best regards, Tango.
Silver_Dragon Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 Vinter Vicon 70 recon pod For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
Paganus Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) The current DCS mavs are just using a vec3 coordinate. They're not actually optical so it shouldn't be too hard to make them work with any designator. I'm not sure how they lock them on movers. I guess you guys will get to figure it out. ;) Reading about the capabilities of this little bird has me more excited about it than I thought I'd be. Edited June 12, 2014 by Paganus typo
Tango Posted June 12, 2014 Author Posted June 12, 2014 I think it might be the same way as the AIM-9M works currently. ;) The bigger question is how is it done in the aircraft...I wondered if it might use a HUD pipper like the A-10 does in visual targeting mode. We need to implement the laser designator to paint the target... Best regards, Tango.
Aginor Posted June 12, 2014 Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) Vinter Vicon 70 recon pod Ah, ok, I completely forgot that series of pods. And for those who want to help searching, it is actually Vinten, not Vinter. When I get home I have to look into some books, maybe I can dig out some capabilities. EDIT: Maybe related, at least the second page mentions Vicon 70. Also the document has the right age, so those capabilities might be similar to those you need (second page): http://www.rochesteravionicarchives.co.uk/documents/1/ZZ_1360187361_DDBR0124%20%28O&A-1b%29.pdf Edited June 12, 2014 by Aginor DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet
Flagrum Posted June 12, 2014 Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) Seems, this is the gun pod with the DEFA 553 30 mm cannon ...? But I am a bit unsure about that produding end ... the DEFA 553 is a single barrel gun and the pictures almost look like it is some kind of multi-barrel / gatling type? Or is that just some kind of cover around the barrel? Edited June 12, 2014 by Flagrum
Tango Posted June 12, 2014 Author Posted June 12, 2014 I think it is just a shroud - it is single-barrel. Best regards, Tango.
JuanOscar Posted June 12, 2014 Posted June 12, 2014 It is the DEFA 533 with cover protection. No multi barrel . :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
phant Posted June 12, 2014 Posted June 12, 2014 How is possible to designate a target with AGM-65 without MFD? Bye Phant
Flagrum Posted June 12, 2014 Posted June 12, 2014 How is possible to designate a target with AGM-65 without MFD? Bye Phant Slewing the pipper on the HUD over the target. :o) ... the CC variant has a HUD, hasn't it? :huh:
Tango Posted June 12, 2014 Author Posted June 12, 2014 Yes it does! I think you slew the laser designator over it (or have another aircraft perform that task) then fire the missile. They are laser guided, not TV guided. As the C-101 can carry a laser designator, it seems it can pick its own targets. No MFD required. Best regards, Tango.
Flagrum Posted June 12, 2014 Posted June 12, 2014 Yes it does! I think you slew the laser designator over it (or have another aircraft perform that task) then fire the missile. They are laser guided, not TV guided. As the C-101 can carry a laser designator, it seems it can pick its own targets. No MFD required. Best regards, Tango. AGM-65E? Now this aircraft becomes more and more interesting! :o) The DCS A-10C was able to use them as well. But as - seemingly - ED got no permission from the USAF to release it, it was disabled. ... Until someone found out how to mod it back in. But that did not last long - ED finally disabled the responsible code in their binaries so that modified LUAs could not get it to work again. ( :cry: ) Why am I telling this? Because implementing the AGM-65E "unintelligently" could perhaps have side effects on ED products that you might want to discuss with them first.
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