GTX 770 2GB good for these screens?

[Zombiescu]

I have a 27" 1080p monitor and am buying a 23" 1080p touchscreen to use helios on for dcs a-10c but am also building a new pc eventually.

 

i have a gtx 660 1gb atm but i don't think that will run them both on medium setting so i am wondering with the gtx 770 2gb do it run both monitors with dcs on medium settings?

 

also if anyone recommends a good card for multiple monitors for under $500 CAD (Canadian dollars)

 

thanks! also if anyone can answer this: will this case support an i7 4770k with a 212 EVo overclocking fan and overclocking the i7 to 4.2 GHZ from 3.50 GHz? also if anyone can recommend me a good motherboard since this is my first custom pc building i need help lol thanks!

 

CASE: http://www.amazon.ca/CM-Storm-Stryker-SGC-5000W-KWN1-Cabinet/dp/B008O2HOI2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1404422044&sr=8-1&keywords=cooler+master+stryker

 

CPU: http://www.amazon.ca/Intel-i7-4770K-Quad-Core-Processor-BX80646I74770K/dp/B00CO8TBQ0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1404356470&sr=8-1&keywords=intel+4770k+i7+quad

 

overclocker: http://www.amazon.ca/Cooler-Master-Hyper-120mm-RR-212E-20PK-R2/dp/B005O65JXI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1404356545&sr=8-1&keywords=hyper+212+evo

 

GPU: http://www.amazon.ca/EVGA-GeForce-Dual-Link-Graphics-02G-P4-2776-KR/dp/B00ENZRQ5U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1404356790&sr=8-1&keywords=GTX+770+2gb

 

 

and recommendations for another card, motherboard, or good ssd like a 32gb, and a 1tb HDD thanks!

[fastfreddie]

Probably should of put this in the PC Hardware section to get the info your looking for or check the more hardware oriented PC sites. Like the case just so WHITE. Not sure on the card ... don't run multi monitors but plenty do here. The chip should overclock to 4.2 or higher but not sure with that fan.

 

Guru3d and xbitlabs plus other sites will give you great reviews and tell you what to expect.

[skouras]

get the 4gb version

even though with 2gb medium settings you would be fine!!!

[Zombiescu]

get the 4gb version

even though with 2gb medium settings you would be fine!!!

 

ok the 4gb one actually looks like alot better choice because it has two hdmi ports and close to the same price as the 2gb one thanks!

[Archer7]

I'm very knowledgeable when it comes to computers but if I entered to the PC hardware section I'd be there a while…

 

I’m not sure what cards are on the upcoming horizon, or how well the 770 2GB handles multi-monitor set-ups but I believe two 1080p screens is enough to call for a 770 4GB which isn’t all that more expensive anyways I believe.

 

Question is how well DCS will work. A 770 handles the game well even maxed on one monitor but two..?

 

Anyways I can speak about the other components.

 

4670K*, EVGA 770 4GB, 128GB Samsung 840/840 Evo, 1TB Western Digital Blue or Seagate Barracuda (mind the 64MB cache) and an ASUS Z87-A or MSI Z87-G41 PC Mate if you’re definitely not going to use dual graphics cards (you’re not).

 

I wrote an explanation but what the hell… if there’s something you don’t understand just ask.

 

* Unless someone can show me a benchmark where the 4770K outdoes the 4670K in DCS that is because they’re basically identical except for $100-150.

Edited July 4, 2014 by Archer7

[Maverick-X]

I am running a 27" fullHD and a 24" 1680x1050 with a GTX 460 on medium settings and my framerates are at least acceptable. I am aswell thinking of buying the GTX 770 to get better framerates (and get ready for EDGE although I'll propably wait to see the impact it has on the performance), but I don't think more than 2GB of RAM are pretty useless unless you do rendering or CAD a lot.

 

EDIT: just had a look into my GPU performance while running DCS on medium settings, a bit over 1GB if RAM in use, perhaps EDGE bringse it to, well, the EDGE? ^^ I still doubt more than 2GB are necessary

Edited July 8, 2014 by Maverick-X

[Cedaway]

... I still doubt more than 2GB are necessary

 

Tell that to Watch_Dogs owners...

But that's another story. I would tell, if you can afford a 4Gb version, if the price between the two versions is not too much, so why not?

I've taken the 4Gb version because there was good price on it on Amazon. I don't know now... To consider.

[krazybiskit]

@zombie

if you are gonna go with a 4770 pushed to 4.2, please reconsider the cooling.. I have a 4770k and its on a corsair h100i water cooler, anything above 3.0 to 3.2 I wouldn't trust air to cool it down. I would like to recommend a evga z87 ftw mobo, and a gtx 760 4gb card

[Maverick-X]

Air is a good cooling solution, just depends on the cooler. I have a similar liquid cooling solution and the only advantage seems to be weight. Air cooling solutions like the noctua nhd90 offer a better cooling but I chose one of those closed watercooling solutions in fear my mainboard will break while transporting the case with an almost 1kg cooler ^^

[Archer7]

Oh dear... you guys are flight simmers, not hardware guys :megalol:

 

I am running a 27" fullHD and a 24" 1680x1050 with a GTX 460 on medium settings and my framerates are at least acceptable. I am aswell thinking of buying the GTX 770 to get better framerates (and get ready for EDGE although I'll propably wait to see the impact it has on the performance), but I don't think more than 2GB of RAM are pretty useless unless you do rendering or CAD a lot.

 

EDIT: just had a look into my GPU performance while running DCS on medium settings, a bit over 1GB if RAM in use, perhaps EDGE bringse it to, well, the EDGE? ^^ I still doubt more than 2GB are necessary

 

What's good about DCS is that you don't really need 60 fps for full enjoyment :)

I have everything maxed except for mirrors off with a Haswell/770 in 1920x1200 and fully enjoy playing around 40-something fps.

 

However memory and graphics card memory and two different things.

I just started DCS up and I'm using about 4.4/16GB memory which are two 8GB chips that I've attached to my motherboard and close to 2GB/2GB graphics memory which is built into my graphics card.

Without having tested DCS specifically I can say that if you are playing it on two monitors nearly the size of mine you should definitely be experiencing some graphics memory shortage issues.

First of all you are obviously not using more than 1GB graphics memory because that's all your graphics card has but you may not experience a crash because DCS scales down how much g memory it uses to suit your graphics card.

If I had a graphics card with more than 2GB graphics memory then it might use more than the 2GB I'm currently using even.

I'm not sure how DCS works and what effects graphics memory deprivation causes in DCS but in most games it is quite severe and can include everything from stuff blinking to crashes.

Ofcourse I'm playing on maxed settings and maybe medium uses significantly less graphics memory.

 

Anyways 2GB graphics memory is considered a minimum for video gaming today so if you're experiencing issues with detail levels changing a lot in video games and such that's surely it.

More than 2GB is not considered necessary unless you are gaming in significantly more than 1080p but I'm not sure how multi-monitor set-ups work with graphics memory.

 

Tell that to Watch_Dogs owners...

But that's another story. I would tell, if you can afford a 4Gb version, if the price between the two versions is not too much, so why not?

I've taken the 4Gb version because there was good price on it on Amazon. I don't know now... To consider.

 

The early Watch Dogs specs were entirely incorrect.

I don't believe it uses that much of any sort of memory at all or at least it shouldn't have to. Very console-ified game.

They exaggerate the specs to make it seem more impressive.

 

@zombie

if you are gonna go with a 4770 pushed to 4.2, please reconsider the cooling.. I have a 4770k and its on a corsair h100i water cooler, anything above 3.0 to 3.2 I wouldn't trust air to cool it down. I would like to recommend a evga z87 ftw mobo, and a gtx 760 4gb card

 

What? The 4670K/4770K are both set to 3.5 GHz with auto-tuning up to 3.9 GHz by default.

I'm sure you must have made some typos... why on Earth would anyone downclock a 4770K to 3.0 or 3.2?!

 

And you are all wrong about air cooling. As I've already clarified the 4770K comes air-cooled up to 3.9 GHz and using non-stock air cooling is most definitely appropriate in all other cases.

Water-cooling sets are not one bit more efficient than air cooling. The only area where water-cooling really makes a difference is with hardcore overclocking and custom built water systems and the improvements are miniscule compared to the cost.

And hardcore overclocking isn't something Haswell does to my knowledge.

[EagleTwoThree]

Oh dear... you guys are flight simmers, not hardware guys :megalol:

 

 

 

What's good about DCS is that you don't really need 60 fps for full enjoyment :)

I have everything maxed except for mirrors off with a Haswell/770 in 1920x1200 and fully enjoy playing around 40-something fps.

 

However memory and graphics card memory and two different things.

I just started DCS up and I'm using about 4.4/16GB memory which are two 8GB chips that I've attached to my motherboard and close to 2GB/2GB graphics memory which is built into my graphics card.

Without having tested DCS specifically I can say that if you are playing it on two monitors nearly the size of mine you should definitely be experiencing some graphics memory shortage issues.

First of all you are obviously not using more than 1GB graphics memory because that's all your graphics card has but you may not experience a crash because DCS scales down how much g memory it uses to suit your graphics card.

If I had a graphics card with more than 2GB graphics memory then it might use more than the 2GB I'm currently using even.

I'm not sure how DCS works and what effects graphics memory deprivation causes in DCS but in most games it is quite severe and can include everything from stuff blinking to crashes.

Ofcourse I'm playing on maxed settings and maybe medium uses significantly less graphics memory.

 

Anyways 2GB graphics memory is considered a minimum for video gaming today so if you're experiencing issues with detail levels changing a lot in video games and such that's surely it.

More than 2GB is not considered necessary unless you are gaming in significantly more than 1080p but I'm not sure how multi-monitor set-ups work with graphics memory.

 

 

 

The early Watch Dogs specs were entirely incorrect.

I don't believe it uses that much of any sort of memory at all or at least it shouldn't have to. Very console-ified game.

They exaggerate the specs to make it seem more impressive.

 

 

 

What? The 4670K/4770K are both set to 3.5 GHz with auto-tuning up to 3.9 GHz by default.

I'm sure you must have made some typos... why on Earth would anyone downclock a 4770K to 3.0 or 3.2?!

 

And you are all wrong about air cooling. As I've already clarified the 4770K comes air-cooled up to 3.9 GHz and using non-stock air cooling is most definitely appropriate in all other cases.

Water-cooling sets are not one bit more efficient than air cooling. The only area where water-cooling really makes a difference is with hardcore overclocking and custom built water systems and the improvements are miniscule compared to the cost.

And hardcore overclocking isn't something Haswell does to my knowledge.

Apparently, you're not a hardware guy either.

 

I'm not going to claim to be a "hardware guy" like you did, but what you essentially said was that you have no idea if the guy needs more than 2GB of video ram for DCS.

 

You also said "2GB graphics memory is considered a minimum for video gaming today". Source that please (or did you POOYA that like the rest of what you said). Just because some higher range vid cards have 2GB, doesn't mean what you said is remotely true.

 

And your statement "Water-cooling sets are not one bit more efficient than air cooling" couldn't be more wrong. The specific heat of water is something like 4x that of air at temps we care about. I think what you meant is that unless you are overclocking your cpu, you don't need to consider using water cooling. You could, but don't need it.

[Archer7]

Apparently, you're not a hardware guy either.

 

I'm not going to claim to be a "hardware guy" like you did, but what you essentially said was that you have no idea if the guy needs more than 2GB of video ram for DCS.

 

You also said "2GB graphics memory is considered a minimum for video gaming today". Source that please (or did you POOYA that like the rest of what you said). Just because some higher range vid cards have 2GB, doesn't mean what you said is remotely true.

 

And your statement "Water-cooling sets are not one bit more efficient than air cooling" couldn't be more wrong. The specific heat of water is something like 4x that of air at temps we care about. I think what you meant is that unless you are overclocking your cpu, you don't need to consider using water cooling. You could, but don't need it.

 

No offense but do they even make new cards with less than 2GB any more?

 

Based on Swedish data the most popular graphics card with 1GB graphics memory to have come out in 2013 is placed 50 overall in popularity.

Apparently the non-Ti 750 only has 1GB memory but it’s barely even on the charts nor have I personally heard of anyone using it. I’ve heard of few instances of 750 Ti gaming even.

 

The most popular cards are 760s, 770s, 780s, 780 Tis, R9 280X, R9 290 and R9 290X in no particular order.

This data is based on interest not sales but I can confirm after having been in buyer’s threads for nearly a year up until the start of this summer that the 760s and 770s are to go-to cards for gaming.

 

I stand by what I said about water cooling. It’s been a while since I googled water coolers but unless something new has come up there is still none that can outmatch Noctua coolers such as the NH-D14 in benchmarks.

This is based on a multitude of data from the casual overclocking scene and with water cooler sets such as the Corsair Hydro series, not custom built water coolers which I have not studied and may very well be stronger.

 

I’m currently on water cooling because I wanted to try it out but next time I will definitely go with air, because it’s 50% the cost, cools as effectively and I’m under the impression it is also a bit quieter.

 

And yes, what I said about dual monitors and graphics memory is that I don't have any idea because I have never tested a multi-monitor set-up and never been interested in one (because of the seams) so I have never looked into how one big monitor compares to several smaller ones in terms of memory use.

 

If I had to buy a card without spending a few days searching for benchmarks about graphics memory use in multi-monitors set-ups on the internet I would buy a 4GB card if I was using more than a 1920x1200 screen though. I’m already aware 2GB can be insufficient even in Full HD in the case of modded Skyrim, or so I’ve heard countless times.

 

By the way 2GB graphics memory may not be a minimum for DCS, which uses an engine a few years old and not at the height of graphic fidelity.

Edited July 10, 2014 by Archer7

[EagleTwoThree]

Archer,

 

Good enough. You should check out multi monitor though, since good 1080p monitors are so cheap now (<$400). I never did multi until very recently, and I was worried about the seams too. From having tried it out now in several games, it's not much of an issue for me because I'm focused on the action.

 

Eagle

[shagrat]

You also said "2GB graphics memory is considered a minimum for video gaming today". Source that please (or did you POOYA that like the rest of what you said). Just because some higher range vid cards have 2GB, doesn't mean what you said is remotely true.

He is more or less right, if it comes to DCS, though "necessary" depends on the personal expectation!

 

Medium settings, as said before, should be ok, with 2GB. BUT, if you decide to run DCS in 1080p or higher, at full detail and use a lot of models and/or ground texture mods, 2GB is the minimum I would recommend, to get some fps.

 

I noticed with ground texture mods and 1080p my GTX 770 uses up to about 2,5 GB video RAM when running DCS!!! So I would consider 3GB or more a good idea...

 

As for the OP: Before considering an investment in a n ew GPU, have you any plans in the directions of 4k displays? If yes, you should wait until next generation GPUs are out and able to support full 4k in 60Hz... or you end with upgrading again next year?:music_whistling: