Dutch60 Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 This thread will probably get locked or even deleted but I would none the less like to share these quit alarming StarForce readings with you. I do not intend to do any StarForce bashing I only want to share these alarming readings and I will buy BlackShark even and I know it will carry the StarForce protection. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30447 http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13212 http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2006Mar/gee20060320035392.htm i9 13900KS (H150i), RTX 4090, 64 GB RAM @ 6000 MHz CL30, TM Warthog HOTAS + MFD's, MFG Crosswind, LG 48GQ900, Valve Index VR, TrackIR 5, Win11 Pro x64
NEODARK Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 I posted a newsarticle about them before and I got a warning, just so you know... (my 20%) I wasnt bashing either, but... I would advise to edit your post before you get warned. Just friendly advise.
zorlac Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 from: http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13212 * Update: According to a news post by Futuremark, apparently they have not carried out any research or uncovered anything relating to StarForce, however this discovery was made by users who posted about this on their public discussion boards. So FutureMark didnt actually make any discovery, but the main stream tech press are reporting they did... fancy that, the media getting it wrong and reporting something that never actually happened, just because someone said they did. Anyway, enough of the cynical remarks about journos (cant trust them most of the time), and lets move onto StarForce itself. I was hesitant about buying FC due to the SF protection, and rather than get the downloadable version (well, I couldnt actually, due to the payment issues) I waited for the CD version. I have had zero problems with it so far, but I think I may have been lucky with that. I dont like DRM in general, it limits my fair use ability to make a personal backup of products that I have purchased, and are therefore my property from the moment I hand over my money. I have a large collection of original games (old and new) on CDs and DVDs sitting on my shelf. All of them (almost) without exception just sit safely in their cases, while I mount the CD/DVD image files I have on disk as virtual drives. If I paid for something, I am going to be damn well sure I look after my original. The only exception to this is LO:FC, due to its SF protection. LO:FC isnt big enough (sales numbers) to gain the attention of the hackers out there, who would break the SF in the EXE and release it as SF free. This is good for a sales point of view for ED... but ONLY as long as the protection system that they use does not over step the mark. *IF* these reports/stories about the new SF version being able to reboot machines if they spot anything unusual is correct, then that IMHO has overstepped the mark by quite some considerable margin. This would make the whole Sony DRM issue pale in comparison. Right now, it is unclear, but would SF protect only SF protected games/products? Or would it end up spotting any "unusual" activity relating to any game/product/media? If I fire up Alcohol 120, will SF reboot my machine? Unknown... If i try to burn a DVD/CD in another application, will SF spot that and make a decision? Unknown... almost certain it will see it, but how/what it decides to act upon is worrying... I keep my game machine as free from cr*p as possible.... no instant messengers, no M$ office, nothing I dont need to play my games and do my videos, and work with my own files/folder/data. If SF in any way prevents me from doing any of this, then I will be mighty p*ssed. If LO:BS is using the new and "improved" starforce, I will think twice about purchasing it... and then I`ll think again. Do I want some high level 3rd party application watching everything I do and then deciding what it needs to do in response? No, I dont think so.... I call that spyware, what about you? (Note: I am expecting my "warn" value to rise, despite the lack of any ranting and raving or abuse in this message).
Depede Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 Documentation from Futuremark about this "story". http://www.futuremark.com/news/?newsarticle=200603/2006...04#200603/2006032104
Shaman Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 I've replied already to simmilar thread on this forum and posted information that IT IS A HOAX. How come now 2nd thread is here? And the 1st one dissapeared? 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
Lixma 06 Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 This sounds like myth-making in embryo. So now every CTD, reboot or crash can be blamed on Starforce ? What next, Starforce ate my hamster ?
Greenies Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 The article also says that Windows Vista will not allow a driver like StarForce to be installed on the system. That means a lot of these games will not work. I'm just hoping that when I install Vista (many years from now, I think), ED will be ready with their next SIM, hopefully without the StarForce protection, as it is today. I have had no problems with my current version of StarForce. No reboots, and no problems burning copies of CDs, DVDs etc. I want to get away, I wanna fly away. Yeah, yeah, yeah! - Lenny Kravitz - Fly Away
Weta43 Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 Even then it's vista-lite ain't it ? All the bloat & none of the features Cheers.
Pilotasso Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 Vista is delayed till at least mid-2007. I dont think we realy need it anyway. Despite what Microsoft says Ill bet it will come with more system hogging "improvments". XP works marvelously to me. Stable as a rock. Though at the cost of much more system resources than 98 did. Since vista wont probably improve on that area, I hope it comes as late as possible so I wont have to be forced to upgrade. .
SwingKid Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 I don't know about the issues you're talking about, but I have confirmation from StarForce that their latest version will not run on Windows 98 or ME, while I also know that except for StarForce, Lock On does. So - StarForce boycotts ME!! not the other way around. ;) :confused: Tragic, because other than that, the rest of BS is starting to really impress me. :( -SK
Pilotasso Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 Unfortunatly (or furtunatly) Windows ME Byocoted my whole system. I had already erased that memory from the corner of my brain when you reminded me of it LOL. I dont think windows ME incompatibiltiy with SF worries me. ;) Get Windows 2000 or XP, believe me its worth it. You wont have to reset it if something goes wrong and it uses more than 512 MB for programs to run. I cant imagine how you are able to stand that crapy OS. .
Alfa Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 First concerning the "disturbing news" about Starforce - here is an official statement from Futuremark....the company who supposedly should have made these "discoveries": StarForce Not Investigated by Futuremark Tue 2006-03-21 There have been discussions and news posts (Geek.com, cdfreaks.com etc.) on the net that Futuremark would have investigated, researched or uncovered something about a software protection system called StarForce (Protection Technology). All the recent news and discussions claiming Futuremark would have done any kind of research into StarForce are based solely on threads and posts posted by individual users on Futuremark's public discussion boards. Futuremark as a company has not done any investigations, research or uncovered anything in regards to StarForce. The material found on the discussion boards is published "as is", and does not represent the official views and opinions of Futuremark Corporation. Best Regards, Nicklas Renqvist Benchmark Development Architect In other words it is a case of the same old anti-starforce ranting, that someone wanted to give credibility by making it sound as if it was based on factual evidence......which of course it is not. Dutch60, I have said countless times that starting anti-Starforce discussions - or linking to them on other sites is unwelcome on this forum. But then when you start your subject by saying... This thread will probably get locked or even deleted but I would none the less like to share these quit alarming StarForce readings with you. .....something tells me that you already knew this. I will let you off with a warning this time, but we have quite frankly had our fill with this smear campaign crap and the next time I see it, I will delete the thread and ban the person who posts it without further warning. What gets to me is that the people who decide to post this nonsense often start by saying... "I havent had any problems with starforce myself, but..." ....well if that is the case then perhaps you should be a little more sceptical about the conspiracy theories. Besides, this is a dedicated Lock-on forum and the only relevant starforce posts are ones that concern problems encountered with this protection system in Lock-on....so that these can be worked out. - JJ. JJ
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