What upgrade before EDGE?

[Montandon]

Hi,

 

I know there is a plenty of posts about pc upgrade here in DCS forum, but due the variety of hardware, I'm here to request a specific help about my pc.

 

 

Currently my hardware are the following and I was able to fly for about 6 years, but now with the constantly updates, I'm getting about 15fps in A10C with a mid-low graphics settings:

 

Asus M4A7B

HD5750 1GB GDDR5

Phenom II X4 945 3.0GHz

6Gb DDR2

 

When EDGE come out I'll make a ruge upgrade, but for now, to get a reasonable fps, what do you recommend to upgrade? I'm thinking start with a SSD.

 

Thank you!!

Regards! :pilotfly:

[Mustang]

Hi,

 

I know there is a plenty of posts about pc upgrade here in DCS forum, but due the variety of hardware, I'm here to request a specific help about my pc.

 

 

Currently my hardware are the following and I was able to fly for about 6 years, but now with the constantly updates, I'm getting about 15fps in A10C with a mid-low graphics settings:

 

Asus M4A7B

HD5750 1GB GDDR5

Phenom II X4 945 3.0GHz

6Gb DDR2

 

When EDGE come out I'll make a ruge upgrade, but for now, to get a reasonable fps, what do you recommend to upgrade? I'm thinking start with a SSD.

 

Thank you!!

Regards! :pilotfly:

 

Get an Intel i5 or i7 based CPU (Haswell) and watch your FPS skyrocket, also bump the RAM up to at least 8gb and get a card with 2gb RAM and 256bit bandwidth (the 5750 is only 128bit and cripples texture throughput) aim for this kind of setup and EDGE should perform admirably.

 

edit: i forgot the SSD, yes this will help massively (i hope to get one in the near future!)

[Saruman]

Why don't you just wait for edge?

[NineLine]

Yes, your system is similar to mine, I think my vid card probably is better than yours, so I think you would be ok initially and you could decide what you want based on performance then... unless you have bags of money, then just buy all the best stuff and you will be fine :)

 

I am doing the same thing, once 2.0 is out and full release, I will be able to determine where my budget and needs meet.

[Montandon]

Get an Intel i5 or i7 based CPU (Haswell) and watch your FPS skyrocket, also bump the RAM up to at least 8gb and get a card with 2gb RAM and 256bit bandwidth (the 5750 is only 128bit and cripples texture throughput) aim for this kind of setup and EDGE should perform admirably.

 

edit: i forgot the SSD, yes this will help massively (i hope to get one in the near future!)

 

Mustang, thanks for the advice. Do you know if there is a huge gap performance between i5 and i7 specifically for the DCS?

 

Why don't you just wait for edge?

 

Saruman, for the processor and GPU maybe I'll wait for EDGE. The SSD is the kindly hardware I'll use and take its advantage in all situations and for all other games and softwares. Due to my Mobo is still DDR2, I'll have to buy a new PC, but the SSD I can use it in my current one. And IMO, I don't think we'll see such specifications for EDGE like only the hardcore PCs will run smoothly the "new" DCS. I'll wait EDGE just for a clarification for AMD/Intel/Nvidia. :thumbup:

 

Yes, your system is similar to mine, I think my vid card probably is better than yours, so I think you would be ok initially and you could decide what you want based on performance then... unless you have bags of money, then just buy all the best stuff and you will be fine :)

 

I am doing the same thing, once 2.0 is out and full release, I will be able to determine where my budget and needs meet.

 

SiThSpAwN, thank you. Please, how many FPS are you getting with your machine and what is your in-game settings?

[T_A]

SiThSpAwN, thank you. Please, how many FPS are you getting with your machine and what is your in-game settings?

 

All the EDGE testers refrained from posting any kind of performance results so far.

 

I would suggest , and many will probably agree - wait 1-3 months for EDGE to come out (beta at least i`m guessing ) and you will have plenty of benchmarks . at the moment we dont even know if the performence gap between AMD and Nvidia is fixed

[Saruman]

I see your point about the SSD. It's a great update, but to take advantage of it you need a good motherboard too, and preferrably an Intel one, because Intel controllers are usually better than the ones you find on AMD mobo (I experience it every time on my own, since I've an AMD mobo and the benchmarks of my SSD on an Intel platform were far, far better).

 

As for the SSD, I'd suggest you to give a glance to the Samsung 850 series: if you can afford, take the PRO, otherwise you can take the vanilla one (EVO).

 

Take into consideration, though, that the more data you write on a SSD the less longer its life will be. This means that a SSD must not be used as a storage disk for your downloads, videos and music, but mainly for the OS and the programs or games that do need its speed (like DCS, since its loading times aren't the fastest on a mechanical HDD).

 

To use effectively a SSD the way it meant to be used, you must couple it with a mechanical HDD, that you will utilize as storage device and on which you'll install those programs/games that do not need the speed of the SSD (for instance, an adventure or chess game).

Edited October 28, 2014 by Saruman

[Boberro]

Well I am sure ED masterminds know they cannot let themselves to make EDGE PC demanding too much.

Now game is on its limits, newer "engine" must be much more friendly than present one.

 

I have i5 3.4 Ghz, 8 GB DDR3, 1 GB GT560Ti overclocked and still suffer from lags, shutters, often browsing planes in F2 camera takes ages to respond. It is disaster.

[xxJohnxx]

Take into consideration, though, that the more data you write on a SSD the less longer its life will be. This means that a SSD must not be used as a storage disk for your downloads, videos and music, but mainly for the OS and the programs or games that do need its speed (like DCS, since its loading times aren't the fastest on a mechanical HDD).

 

While this is true, I wouldn't worry to much about it. Yes, an SSD will degrade over time when doing a lot of read/write cycles, however if you are not doing insane amounts of those you should be fine. While you get some "theoretical" loss of space, you won't even notice it. A 500GB SSD normally has around 750GB of internal storage, those spare 250GB are there for replacing failed parts of the initial 500GB.

Only after you have burned through 250GB of your SSDs storage space, you will start to notice a loss. And thrust me, this won't happen within a couple of years, after which the SSD will be horribly outdated anyway.

 

While I do recommend a normal HDD for data storage as well (it's just so much cheaper than an SSD) you don't have to worry about degrading your SSD to much. :smilewink:

[Saruman]

The space the ssd has to replace bad sectors is decided by the user, on my Samsung, and is the so-called overprovisioning, and, more important thing, it is SUBTRACTED from the free space of the ssd. It's not a spare hidden space that adds to your free space

[fixen]

Ssd reliability has improved a lot. The crucial mx100 ssd's can write 40gb of data a day for 5 years before dying If I remember correctly.

[NineLine]

This is correct, we cant comment on the specifics of performance we are seeing in Test version, its changing all the time anyways so would do no one any good until its in a more final state.

 

All the EDGE testers refrained from posting any kind of performance results so far.

 

I would suggest , and many will probably agree - wait 1-3 months for EDGE to come out (beta at least i`m guessing ) and you will have plenty of benchmarks . at the moment we dont even know if the performence gap between AMD and Nvidia is fixed

[Mustang]

Mustang, thanks for the advice. Do you know if there is a huge gap performance between i5 and i7 specifically for the DCS?

 

Well i think the main differences between i5 and i7 are features such as greater cache memory and the ability to do hyperthreading on i7s, the i5 is still a great CPU and does not lag far behind the i7 (someone with a bit more technical knowhow could chime in here)

 

Well I am sure ED masterminds know they cannot let themselves to make EDGE PC demanding too much.

Now game is on its limits, newer "engine" must be much more friendly than present one.

 

I have i5 3.4 Ghz, 8 GB DDR3, 1 GB GT560Ti overclocked and still suffer from lags, shutters, often browsing planes in F2 camera takes ages to respond. It is disaster.

 

That 1gb graphics card of yours is the major bottleneck in your system, change that out for a 2 or 3 (or even 4gb) card and be amazed at the difference (also do NOT run in windowed mode on a GT560Ti!)

Edited October 28, 2014 by Mustang

[NineLine]

That 1gb graphics card of yours is the major bottleneck in your system, change that out for a 2 or 3 (or even 4gb) card and be amazed at the difference (also do NOT run in windowed mode on a GT560Ti!)

 

+1, the major difference between me and the OP is my card is a 3gb card. I think thats a big difference.

[Montandon]

Humm, thanks for all the reply.

 

For the SSD and a new graphics card my mobo isn't useless? It still support the SSD due the DDR2 memory support?

[Boberro]

That 1gb graphics card of yours is the major bottleneck in your system, change that out for a 2 or 3 (or even 4gb) card and be amazed at the difference (also do NOT run in windowed mode on a GT560Ti!)

 

I am going to change when EDGE comes out to jugde its performande first :P

 

So ya sayin' I don't need newer card, just with bigger RAM amount? TO be honest I play FPS games on highest details without problems, only DCS is always one big issue in performance terms.

[cichlidfan]

So ya sayin' I don't need newer card, just with bigger RAM amount?

 

The RAM that you need more of is the VRAM on the video card. You can't add more, you have to buy a new card. You will almost certainly need it for EDGE, since the card is going to be doing more work than than before.

[Demon_]

The i5 2500k (4.6ghz) to a i7 3770K (4.4Ghz): no noticeable difference in DCS, or very little. (With the same mobo)

RAM 1600Ghz to 2133Ghz: No noticeable difference.