How good is flight model in 1.2.1.1

[sapsan2014]

Hi just would like to hear professional opinion on flight model and systems from people who knows Mig-21 well, as I have noticed there been a lot of bugs at the beginning of this module.

 

How things are now in ver. 1.2.1.1 in terms of Flight model physics and finality of systems modeled in Mig-21.

Is flight physics feels real authentic or still far away from reality ?

the same on systems , radar, pumps.

basically, is this on level of A-10 C or worse or better?

 

Thank you beforehand for your opinion :)

[cichlidfan]

AFAIK, the only person on this forum with the background to give a 'professional' opinion would also be the person that wrote the code for the Mig.

[il_corleone]

I do not flew in a Mig 21 before, but I can say, that the Flight model has been improved and the 90% of the bugs of the older versions have been fixed.

 

The Flight model looks accurate for me, and the Systems and avionics are like 95% "complete" better than the Beta modules from BST or the A10C(BETA), It can be better? Yes . It is going to be better? I should vote clearly yes, for me, the overall quality and the small amount of bugs (Not takin in account the Performance hit) is a really masterpiece at the same or above the level of the A10C.

 

So if you are searching for an accurate Russian bird with the quality of the A10, this is your plane.

 

There are still bugs, but they are not/less important than the first ones and should not take much time to fix them

 

Also PROFESSIONAL for the Flight model, in DCS prodcuts means that they have been Proof by their DEV team, in LS one of the Coders is a pilot of Mig 21, so it should be at the same level or near it

Edited November 27, 2014 by il_corleone

[Vitesse2l]

Not professional, but I think the Mig 21 is very well done and thoroughly enjoyable as it is.

 

There have been bug fixes since release and performance is much better for most (all?) users.

 

Compared to the A10 - I prefer the Mig. Your opinion may vary!

[sapsan2014]

Thank you for response, sorry I it seems I did not make my self clear , by professional i mean opinion of Virtual pilots not developers:) I mean a lot of you spent plenty of time in large variety of flight sims I believe. starting from Janes f/a-18 , FSX, Lock on, Falcon BMS, Superbug, and Finally DCS, so It would not be difficult for you to spot scripted behavior of flight model . So what you are saying that flight model is pretty much realistic and avionics , radar performance is close to real. the question I am asking because I was confused on the forum that there were discussions saying that Mig was flying tail front and performing cobra ,etc, so I was thinking maybe there are a lot of mistakes in flight model and this was a bit depressing. and another interesting thing is when I put Mig-21 AI vs F-86 AI at same level , F-86 outperformed in Gunzo Mig-21 , is this real ?

[Kenan]

Guy who programmed the module is former real life MiG-21 pilot so...I think that pretty much gives you an idea of how good the model is. ;)

[il_corleone]

Thank you for response, sorry I it seems I did not make my self clear , by professional i mean opinion of Virtual pilots not developers:) I mean a lot of you spent plenty of time in large variety of flight sims I believe. starting from Janes f/a-18 , FSX, Lock on, Falcon BMS, Superbug, and Finally DCS, so It would not be difficult for you to spot scripted behavior of flight model . So what you are saying that flight model is pretty much realistic and avionics , radar performance is close to real. the question I am asking because I was confused on the forum that there were discussions saying that Mig was flying tail front and performing cobra ,etc, so I was thinking maybe there are a lot of mistakes in flight model and this was a bit depressing. and another interesting thing is when I put Mig-21 AI vs F-86 AI at same level , F-86 outperformed in Gunzo Mig-21 , is this real ?

 

The Cobra was done in older versions, I can not do it now, the AI uses different FM, but this happens in all aircrafts

 

Personally, I think the MIG-21 is like the A-10C or other PFM

[sapsan2014]

Guy who programmed the module is former real life MiG-21 pilot so...I think that pretty much gives you an idea of how good the model is. ;)

 

Yes I know that he is operating Pilot, but only because he is real pilot does not give this module status of super realistic flight model label. For me most important is what do virtual pilots think about it, as they are not biased( no offence though to developers). and truly will give most comprehensive and realistic opinion on how good is flight model and what is needed to be improved. So A-10 C is good one , but I was thinking that Mig should be way better then A-10C as technology and calculating powerof modern PC increased over 5 year period so developers should take advantage of that and developers more precise flight model , but maybe I am wrong :) share your opinion please

[Flagrum]

Yes I know that he is operating Pilot, but only because he is real pilot does not give this module status of super realistic flight model label. For me most important is what do virtual pilots think about it, as they are not biased( no offence though to developers). and truly will give most comprehensive and realistic opinion on how good is flight model and what is needed to be improved. So A-10 C is good one , but I was thinking that Mig should be way better then A-10C as technology and calculating powerof modern PC increased over 5 year period so developers should take advantage of that and developers more precise flight model , but maybe I am wrong :) share your opinion please

The devs viewpoint might be biased, but so is the viewpoint of us simmers (due to the lack of first hand experience).

 

More experienced pilots than I, sim or RL, may comment on how real the FM "feels". But I doubt that there is much of a difference in "realness" just because the MiG is newer and could utilize more potent computing hardware. The bottleneck is not the processing power - at least not for the method that is used in DCS (afaik a system of algebraic equations ... as opposed to ... uhm, what is it called? something-something-fluid-mechanics? Where so to say every air molecule is calculated ... which even supercomputers of today can not do in real-time for a whole aircraft, afaik).

 

The real bottleneck is the availability of the data and testing the results against RL data and charts. That is probably the major challenge when developing a FM. And in this regard I believe that the A-10C and the MiG-21 are on par, quality wise.

[sapsan2014]

The devs viewpoint might be biased, but so is the viewpoint of us simmers (due to the lack of first hand experience).

 

More experienced pilots than I, sim or RL, may comment on how real the FM "feels". But I doubt that there is much of a difference in "realness" just because the MiG is newer and could utilize more potent computing hardware. The bottleneck is not the processing power - at least not for the method that is used in DCS (afaik a system of algebraic equations ... as opposed to ... uhm, what is it called? something-something-fluid-mechanics? Where so to say every air molecule is calculated ... which even supercomputers of today can not do in real-time for a whole aircraft, afaik).

 

The real bottleneck is the availability of the data and testing the results against RL data and charts. That is probably the major challenge when developing a FM. And in this regard I believe that the A-10C and the MiG-21 are on par, quality wise.

 

nice explanation thanks :) hope you are right :thumbup:

[Skulleader]

And in this regard I believe that the A-10C and the MiG-21 are on par, quality wise.

 

Yes it's the good response and explanation, with the A-10C and Mig-21bis we have the best simulation better than any other simulations, since I've discovered the A-10C I've put my FSX and all my addons to the trash, for me DCS World is the best simulation for PC.

Since I possess the MIG-21bis I spend all my time with this module, a real challenge, a real masterpiece.

A great modules from Leathernek... Skull.

[sapsan2014]

Yes it's the good response and explanation, with the A-10C and Mig-21bis we have the best simulation better than any other simulations, since I've discovered the A-10C I've put my FSX and all my addons to the trash, for me DCS World is the best simulation for PC.

Since I possess the MIG-21bis I spend all my time with this module, a real challenge, a real masterpiece.

A great modules from Leathernek... Skull.

 

inspiring to hear that, I love my A-10C, but will wait until Mig-21 will go to DVD version, or if it will be too delayed will get it when it will come out from Beta. but it is true that DCS is best sim ever, i am totally shocked by new Su-27 PFM it is amazing how aircraft acts , if you compare it to Mig-29 SFM, Mig-29 is like UFO and i am looking forward to be impressed by Mig-21

[NeilWillis]

Frankly, there is no reason left to wait. Get it now, you'll only wish you had when you do finally take the plunge. The MiG-21 is a masterpiece!

[QuiGon]

Frankly, there is no reason left to wait. Get it now, you'll only wish you had when you do finally take the plunge. The MiG-21 is a masterpiece!

 

Nothing else to say!