9.JG27 DavidRed Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 seems to be inefficient. even with fully nose down trim the plane wants to climb and you have to constantly fight that with the stick.(bug or was the elevator trim really that useless?)
Flagrum Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 Check for contol double assignments. When I spawned the first time in a flying 109, it went straight up into the sky and even full stick fwd would not really help (+ stalling & lots of swearing, lol) Turned out the cause was the usual DCS problem.
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted December 3, 2014 Author Posted December 3, 2014 no its no mapping issue...i can see the trimwheel moving just fine...its just with fully nose down trim the plane still wants to slightly pull the nose up.
Flagrum Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) Post a track please ... my K-4 flies just fine with the trim at about "80%" (according to the controls indicator). Edited December 3, 2014 by Flagrum
Random Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 Full forward trim set before takeoff and left there for me. Still needs more forward trim!
JG13 Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 I use a Saitek trim wheel and it's not working very well for me either, you can here the wheel sounds but no movement but then it starts going and won't stop, trim on a button works but are very sensitive and needs more down trim. Or is that how it really is on the 109?
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted December 3, 2014 Author Posted December 3, 2014 ^^well for me the trim animation works properly.thats not the problem.its just that only with full forward trim the plane will somehow keep straight.but even then its very slightly pulling up..
JG13 Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 Trim animation looks fine when using the buttons but not with trim wheel. Full forward trim just barely enough. Full back trim will make the plane do some really crazy stuff.
Flagrum Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 I am using the trim up and trim down functions (buttons) and seem to have no issues. Are you guys using the axis?
JG13 Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 Yes "Saitek Cessna trim wheel" works fine with the p51
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted December 3, 2014 Author Posted December 3, 2014 I am using the trim up and trim down functions (buttons) and seem to have no issues. Are you guys using the axis? no just ordinary buttons.again, its just the efficiency or maybe the range which makes trimming pretty useless.just trim fully forward and it will more or less stay straight, still with a slight tendency to climb.
Anatoli-Kagari9 Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 I can confirm it too, although at higher speeds it stabilizes at full forward trim, and the pitching up moment ceases... Very annoying at takeoff, and now I understand Wags takeoff video... Flight Simulation is the Virtual Materialization of a Dream...
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted December 3, 2014 Author Posted December 3, 2014 haha yeah, you really have to half way push the stick to not get into a instant stall on take off...also when spawning mid air the first thing you have to do is to trim fully forward
airdoc Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 Same here, double-checked trim settings with control indicator (RCTRL+ENTER --is that a new feature in 1.2.12 with WEP, rudder, and trim settings all in the same box?-) and it seems that indeed with full nose-heavy trim the plane still wants to go up. A concern in takeoff and landing. The three best things in life are a good landing, a good orgasm, and a good bowel movement. The night carrier landing is one of the few opportunities in life to experience all three at the same time.
genbrien Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 +1 Full fwd trim (2 position) and with neutral stick it piches up violantly at TO. Don't know if it was like that IRL Do you think that getting 9 women pregnant will get you a baby in 1 month?[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Mobo: Asus P8P67 deluxe Monitor: Lg 22'' 1920*1080 CPU: i7 2600k@ 4.8Ghz +Zalman CNPS9900 max Keyboard: Logitech G15 GPU:GTX 980 Strix Mouse: Sidewinder X8 PSU: Corsair TX750w Gaming Devices: Saytek X52, TrackIr5 RAM: Mushkin 2x4gb ddr3 9-9-9-24 @1600mhz Case: 690 SSD: Intel X25m 80gb
TwilightZone Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 seems to be inefficient. even with fully nose down trim the plane wants to climb and you have to constantly fight that with the stick.(bug or was the elevator trim really that useless?) ..........exactly what i experienced too, plane wants to float upward....when i trimmed nose down full it still did it, not as bad but still. seems like the trim needs a bit more range on the nose down end. P-51, 190-D9, 109-K4, Spitfire MK IX, Normandy, and everything else:joystick: i7 4770K, 4.3ghz, 32gb ram, Windows-10 Pro, Z87 Exstreme4, Corsair 850w psu, Samsung Evo 1T SSD & 250 SSD, Titan-X 12gb OC, Asus ROG Swift 27"/1440p/144hz/1ms monitor, Trackir 5, TM Warthog & 10cm extension, Saitek TPM, MFG crosswind pedals
MiloMorai Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 maybe the weight balance (CoG) is not set correctly.
Flex Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 This really should be reported, cause every newbie will definetely crash on takoffwithout knowing about trimming the plane to fully noseheavy!
Anatoli-Kagari9 Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 It helps to use ONLY 12:00 on the prop pitch, and ATA 1.35, as per the Manuals Flight Simulation is the Virtual Materialization of a Dream...
Flex Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Come on, the plane wants to go straight up like a rocket without trimmed right! That can not be modelled right! 1
ED Team NineLine Posted December 4, 2014 ED Team Posted December 4, 2014 Come on, the plane wants to go straight up like a rocket without trimmed right! That can not be modelled right! I dont experience it going straight up like a rocket. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Flex Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Ok, maybe this was a little over the top, but you have to agree that if trimmed neutral its nowhere near neutral!
sobek Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Ok, maybe this was a little over the top, but you have to agree that if trimmed neutral its nowhere near neutral! That is not what neutral trim means. The neutral you talk about changes with speed, which is perfectly modelled in any AFM plane that has positive pitch stability. You might find this interesting. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
ED Team NineLine Posted December 4, 2014 ED Team Posted December 4, 2014 I think it climbs some on TO, I dont know or feel like its wrong, seems to even out some once you are up to speed with some altitude under your belly... but the FM is a WIP still as well, its possible things like this will change as updates are done. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Flex Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 So is there any source where you can see that the bf109 has to be trimmed totally noseheavy to takeoff safely?
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