about the Mig-21 trimmer, I think it is a bug

[bin801]

I think the trimmer of Mig-21 has a little problem.

it over react,

I did try my best to push trimmer hat slightly and slightly, in shortest micro-second:) but it always, I mean, always beyond my intention.

let's say, without autopilot button, I can never use trimmer alone to fly horizontly .

I use thrustmaster hotas cougar stick, is that a bug?

I think if trimmer could react smoothly that will be much more comfortable.

could you adjust it ? even that is not a bug

 

 

after it was issued, I fly fish-bed for most of my DCS time, I like it, great job!!

[1.JaVA_Platypus]

Agreed, an elevator trim wheel (axis) would be much more convenient. But for some reason, the soviet decided to put it on a knob on the flightstick. I use the Hat2 switch for trimming without problem. (see pic below) But I never really fly straight and level for very long. I don't think you can do much about it. As far as I know, The -21 was never intended to fly straight and level for very long anyways.

 

[Art-J]

I haven't noticed trimmer working too fast, actually I'd say it's a bit sluggish (TM Warthog here). On the other hand, I only use it during attacking ground targets.

 

For just flying around, level autopilot does the job perfectly anyways and is so convenient. I got so used to it, that switching back to Mustang/Dora/Sabre with constant trim-dance required, gets a bit annoying :D.

[bin801]

I haven't noticed trimmer working too fast, actually I'd say it's a bit sluggish (TM Warthog here). On the other hand, I only use it during attacking ground targets.

 

For just flying around, level autopilot does the job perfectly anyways and is so convenient. I got so used to it, that switching back to Mustang/Dora/Sabre with constant trim-dance required, gets a bit annoying :D.

 

yes, acceptble but not good for this works.

If airspeed is set to steady, at least one point of trimmer should exist to make the aircraft fly level.

if the trimmer was not so sensitive, we can use trimmer to find the right point But it is little bit sentitive, so we always pass the point.

if leatherneck can make trimmer smoother, it will be much easier for us to find the level point.

My hope

[xxJohnxx]

Trimming is fine for me. Kinda what you expect from an older aircraft.

[bin801]

Trimming is fine for me. Kinda what you expect from an older aircraft.

 

This is not a problem about old or new. I think it is about real or not real.

At least, a smoother trimmer won''t be harmful.

[xxJohnxx]

Real? Well all the electric trims I used (which where on general aviation aircraft) behaved about the same. It is generally a bit easier because of force feedback, but it is not to far off.

Neither is trimming always alowing to level out and fly hands off. That's what the autopilot is for.

[bin801]

Real? Well all the electric trims I used (which where on general aviation aircraft) behaved about the same. It is generally a bit easier because of force feedback, but it is not to far off.

Neither is trimming always alowing to level out and fly hands off. That's what the autopilot is for.

 

 

I will ask real Mig-21 pilot with this question

maybe add two keys for trim down slowly and trim up slowly??

won't be harmful.

[portman]

For just flying around, level autopilot does the job perfectly anyways and is so convenient.

 

Even the RL MiG-21 manual suggests to use the autopilot for long distance level flying.

[Golo]

There is nothing wrong with trim, it is not there to get you in level flight.

 

Its purpose it so eliminate forces on the stick so pilot wouldnt have too much work with it.

Edited December 17, 2014 by Golo

[Random]

Is the real trimmer a switch or analogue stick?

[portman]

Is the real trimmer a switch or analogue stick?

 

It's a two-way switch.

[bin801]

Even the RL MiG-21 manual suggests to use the autopilot for long distance level flying.

 

long distance, right

but never level in short distance is the problem I met. add two more key trim slowly is not so brutal and ridiculous request.

if you think trim is ok for you, don't use trim slowly. this is a option for someone like me. harmless

[bin801]

There is nothing wrong with trim, it is not there to get you in level flight.

 

Its purpose it so eliminate forces on the stick so pilot wouldnt have too much work with it.

 

add two keys named trim slowly up and down, make trim smoother won't harm!!!!

if real is unperfect then, we cut tree to count? use stone to cut? stay on the ground?

if reality is not good, we try to change it , at least try, that is why trim is invented buddy.

 

make it better is my request, after all

[Hadwell]

lol the trimmer is just to make your plane sort of level, not fully, just enough you're not having to push or pull A LOT on your stick, just less than a lot, you are supposed to have to hold your stick in one place to keep the plane level with autopilot off, never let the trim fly the plane for you, they put a stick in the plane for a reason...

 

other than that, as everyone else says... autopilot...

[mpdugas]

Seems like a harmless, easy request; no need to keep telling him all the alternatives, or telling him he's wrong, or telling him there is no problem.

 

Sounds like all he wants is something more, uh, fun.

[xxJohnxx]

Seems like a harmless, easy request; no need to keep telling him all the alternatives, or telling him he's wrong, or telling him there is no problem.

 

Sounds like all he wants is something more, uh, fun.

 

I guess it is a difficult thing to implement anyway. Not because the coding side is difficult, but because after implementing a quirk like that you will get pages worth of discussion about it not being realistic.

Take the recent thread about nosewheel steering and the Kh-66 for example. Apparently most people here are for 100% realism even for weapons they don't necessarily have to carry.

 

It is probably not likely to see the suggested feature being implemented, unindependent from it might or might not being useful. I guess for the devs it is probably the best to stick to 100% realism, which probably makes it easier to argue their design decision in front of the users.

Edited December 19, 2014 by xxJohnxx

[Cobra847]

Closed pending cleanup.

[Cobra847]

Thread reopened. Keep it clean..

 

I will look into whether the stepping for trim granularity is correcct and whether an option with smaller granularity can be created. No promises, however.

For now, I suggest you use your SAU to fly the MiG-21 over longer distances.

[bin801]

Thread reopened. Keep it clean..

 

I will look into whether the stepping for trim granularity is correcct and whether an option with smaller granularity can be created. No promises, however.

For now, I suggest you use your SAU to fly the MiG-21 over longer distances.

 

Cool

thanks

as original,actually, I question first, then request a "maybe" optional solution.