SU-27 R-77

[Kalastaja]

Why can't i load R-77's on a SU-27- Its too easy to fly against SARH missiles :P

[fixen]

Not the right model su-27. Furthermore I think there are a lot of su-27 pilots that will destroy f-15's left and right.

[104th_Maverick]

Its too easy to fly against SARH missiles :P

 

 

Try flying against any members of the 51st PVO Squadron and they will make you eat those words until it makes you sick ;)

[Kalastaja]

;2271843']Try flying against any members of the 51st PVO Squadron and they will make you eat those words until it makes you sick ;)

Haha, probably yeah :D

[Slipp]

Why can't i load R-77's on a SU-27- Its too easy to fly against SARH missiles :P

 

Add this to Su-27.lua under pylons section:

{ CLSID = "{B4C01D60-A8A3-4237-BD72-CA7655BC0FE9}" },

 

This will give it R-77. Can also be used by player. :)

[Kalastaja]

Add this to Su-27.lua under pylons section:

{ CLSID = "{B4C01D60-A8A3-4237-BD72-CA7655BC0FE9}" },

 

This will give it R-77. Can also be used by player. :)

Thx!

[Ragnarok]

Its too easy to fly against SARH missiles :P

Easy? You fly only against Bot's?

[bestrokin]

Add this to Su-27.lua under pylons section:

{ CLSID = "{B4C01D60-A8A3-4237-BD72-CA7655BC0FE9}" },

 

This will give it R-77. Can also be used by player. :)

Instructions please...

[Slipp]

Instructions please...

 

Replace your Su-27.lua with this lua:

http://www.filedropper.com/su-27

 

File location: C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World\Scripts\Database\planes

 

This should give your Su-27 the ability to carry R-77. :)

[bestrokin]

Replace your Su-27.lua with this lua:

http://www.filedropper.com/su-27

 

File location: C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World\Scripts\Database\planes

 

This should give your Su-27 the ability to carry R-77. :)

 

Thanks

[Darkwolf]

Warning tho :

using this online will get you banned asap. :music_whistling:

[FLANKERATOR]

I think that folder is part of IC on most combat servers.

[Ragnarok]

Why can't i load R-77's on a SU-27- Its too easy to fly against SARH missiles :P

You'll never be a good pilot if you don't learn how to fight with SARH against ARH. :smartass:

[AussieGhost789]

I flew the F-15 almost almost solely for a long while, but then I decided I wanted to really figure out the Flanker. So, for a few weeks the Flanker became my main fighter. At first, it was painful. I was so used to the comfort, the luxury even, of ARH missiles. I do usually take AIM-7's on my F-15, so it could have been worse. That being said, they were more or less reserved for very specific situations, so having SARH missiles as my primary BVR tool was a difficult challenge to overcome. Slowly but surely, I improved. From going out and getting nothing, to going and getting something, but being shot down in the process, and finally reaching the point where I could fly out, make a a kill or two, and make it back. Basically the same process we all follow in learning an aircraft. Throughout that process, the lack of ARH missiles became less of a burden. Of course, ARH is more versatile, but throughout my experience I learned that SARH missiles are certainly not to be underestimated. The point of what I'm trying to say is, there's more to BVR combat than who has the ARH missile. It is very possible to use SARH and win, it just takes persistence and practice! Not having R-77's was the end of the world over the first few days of flying the Flanker, but that was soon fixed with practice and experience. Ok, so your options are a little more limited with SARH, but you still have options! And as long as you have options, you have the capability to win.

 

Oh and don't forget about your R-27ET's ;)

 

Cutlass.

[Cali]

I flew the F-15 almost almost solely for a long while, but then I decided I wanted to really figure out the Flanker. So, for a few weeks the Flanker became my main fighter. At first, it was painful. I was so used to the comfort, the luxury even, of ARH missiles. I do usually take AIM-7's on my F-15, so it could have been worse. That being said, they were more or less reserved for very specific situations, so having SARH missiles as my primary BVR tool was a difficult challenge to overcome. Slowly but surely, I improved. From going out and getting nothing, to going and getting something, but being shot down in the process, and finally reaching the point where I could fly out, make a a kill or two, and make it back. Basically the same process we all follow in learning an aircraft. Throughout that process, the lack of ARH missiles became less of a burden. Of course, ARH is more versatile, but throughout my experience I learned that SARH missiles are certainly not to be underestimated. The point of what I'm trying to say is, there's more to BVR combat than who has the ARH missile. It is very possible to use SARH and win, it just takes persistence and practice! Not having R-77's was the end of the world over the first few days of flying the Flanker, but that was soon fixed with practice and experience. Ok, so your options are a little more limited with SARH, but you still have options! And as long as you have options, you have the capability to win.

 

Oh and don't forget about your R-27ET's ;)

 

Cutlass.

 

Good post, just goes to show that practice makes a world of difference.

 

to the OP, image if F-15's had ET's?

[Ragnarok]

Flanker has many advantages in relation to the Eagle. Does not need R-77. The most important is that you do not use Flanker as a Eagle. With flanker have to work more diligently. However, the end result is important. Both aircraft offer the possibility to win, if the pilot is good. On the server usually I see desperate pilots flanker who lose from desperate pilots in Eagle. But it appears someone experienced who knows how to use Flanker, and situation is completely changed.

[Darkwolf]

ARH missiles shot at BVR range are just too easy to dodge if they are not supported by the launcher. You just turn, then the missile will not even see you once. It's a way way harder against a skilled pilot who knows his TWS and use his ARH as SARH (keeping the lock as far as possible so the missile get updates before going active)

[FLANKERATOR]

I've personally noticed through viewing Tacviews from past Joint Warrior battles that straight BVR kills are difficult to achieve regardless of your ride, unless the targeted pilot has limited skills; by straight kills I mean that your opponent is aware of your presence.

 

Most of time, it comes down the the element of surprise or lack of situational awareness in complex situations where it's difficult to keep track of several threats simultaneously.

[*Rage*]

^Agreed but I think the JW squad vs squad battles cannot be easily equated to a typical MP server fight.

[Kalastaja]

ARH missiles shot at BVR range are just too easy to dodge if they are not supported by the launcher. You just turn, then the missile will not even see you once. It's a way way harder against a skilled pilot who knows his TWS and use his ARH as SARH (keeping the lock as far as possible so the missile get updates before going active)

 

Exactly. That's why the saying "Fire and Forget" missile is incorrect. :D

[Fri13]

Exactly. That's why the saying "Fire and Forget" missile is incorrect. :D

That is sadly as well conclusion commonly I have found about F-22/35 that people believe those can fly on area, lock on target, launch a AMRAAM and turn quickly away from area and get a perfect kill.

 

It is hard to try to explain someone why ARH missiles are needed to be guided like SARH until their own seeker is active as I don't know exactly all the modes for mid-flight guidance between different modes, like how TWS is better but reveals easily the launch while couple others (don't remember the acronyms) can hide it. Or what frequency does the mid-flight guidance use etc.

 

But the common believe seems to bee that you just fire AMD forget and turn away. I don't even know does those missiles work so in DCS. Or is there after all huge difference to SARH Missile benefits...

[ShuRugal]

The biggest advantage the 120 gives an F-15 pilot over an SU-27 is the ability to disengage and still threaten the enemy. With an ARH, if the situation looks too nasty, you can disengage with the confidence that your six will be covered long enough for you to put on some speed. When you only have SARH, your best defensive option is to stay hot, because that's the only way you can threaten the other guy. Find yourself suckered into a fight against one high and one in the weeds? if you had active missiles, you could throw one at each and get away while they are forced to evade. otherwise.... better hope one of them goofs.

[GGTharos]

In fact they can. So can F-15's and F-16's. I'm sure you can think of how that happens.

 

That is sadly as well conclusion commonly I have found about F-22/35 that people believe those can fly on area, lock on target, launch a AMRAAM and turn quickly away from area and get a perfect kill.

 

It is hard because they do not need to be guided until the seeker is active. However, the DCS implementation of those missiles requires you to. Yes, if they were correctly implemented and there was no M-link being provided, they would not hit as many targets.

 

And on the other hand, if the 'other aircraft' guided that missile all the way in, all your chaff and ECM would fare poorly against that missile/platform combo, unlike a SARH missile, which would be more easily fooled. Yes, we're talking about the in-game aircraft right now, not F-22's and PAK-FA's.

 

TWS hides the launch. Some more modern equipment can actually deal with this - none of it is relevant to the in-game aircraft.

 

It is hard to try to explain someone why ARH missiles are needed to be guided like SARH until their own seeker is active as I don't know exactly all the modes for mid-flight guidance between different modes, like how TWS is better but reveals easily the launch while couple others (don't remember the acronyms) can hide it. Or what frequency does the mid-flight guidance use etc.

 

You should absolutely be able to, your Pk should be that of an AIM-7. And if you guided in all the way, the Pk should be twice that of an AIM-7.

 

What does this tell you? That the 120 is really a fire-and-forget missile, and it can be effective when use like that. But it won't be as effective as when guided all the way to at least pitbull (not active. Pitbull is a particular phase of active) or even all the way in to the target, like a SARH missile.

 

 

Now, does this relate to DCS? Not really, because DCS doesn't model the parts of the missile that enable it to do such things - so in this case, yes, you really do have to guide it all the way in to active.

 

But the common believe seems to bee that you just fire AMD forget and turn away. I don't even know does those missiles work so in DCS. Or is there after all huge difference to SARH Missile benefits...

[SDsc0rch]

i would LOVE it if DCS modeled Pks based on the quality of mid-course guidance the launch platform provided..