German Phantom crews having some fun

[MBot]

Mobius, it's obvious that you are a "game" pilot and not a real one. The last thing any pilot should think is that "Super-dangerous means Super-cool". I hope you will never end up in any cockpit if you think that way, you will kill yourself, and maybe others too.

 

 

That may be the official 'political correct' agenda, but judging by some of the pilot homevideos on the net it seems that more dangerous is indeed regarded as cool among ( fighter ) pilots. Perhaps not so much in the US airforces but more among the French and British.

[Frazer]

These guys certainly consider this as "cool" and like i said, in my opinion these guys don't belong in a cockpit. Btw, i'm not convinced that French and British pilots are doing more crazy stuff than in the US. You see the most crazy stuff from Tomcat pilots on a carrier.

[Cobra360]

You've gotta see the Mirage F1 in Chad vid. A lot of guts and skill in there.

[Frazer]

I've seen them yes (like almost every video of patricks avi website) and yes crazy stuff there too. But nothing as dare devil crazy as these german pilots.

[GR27]

So you must see this one

http://www.patricksaviation.com/aviation_videos/383/F-15_Missed_Approach

Several F-15 low pass over an air show crowd.

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[Mobius1]

Mobius, it's obvious that you are a "game" pilot and not a real one. The last thing any pilot should think is that "Super-dangerous means Super-cool". I hope you will never end up in any cockpit if you think that way, you will kill yourself, and maybe others too.

PPL #2809...*, I would never, ever do anything like this while I was flying. My comment was just a joke, sorry to offend you with a harmless comment. Rolling 90 degrees while you are that close to the ground shouldn't really be that dangerous, unless the pilot is a complete idiot and is still in the mindset of "pull the stick, houses get smaller", or the F-4's engines are carburated (a joke, smile, laugh, have fun) or something other than that that would cause the engines to quit. Wings sure as hell don't care which direction the ground is, which should have been one of the things that was pounded into your head during ground school. I have to agree with the others here that the jet-blast as the F-4 flew over the hill was the most dangerous part, as he pulled up immediately after cresting the hill, directing the blast straight at the people on the hill. There are stories of people being blown off the sides of carriers because they accidentally walked behind aircraft with their engines running, so I hate to imagine what could have happened to those people on the hill. You can bet that if I were the CO there and I knew that had happened, those pilots would get their asses chewed, but since I'm not the CO, and I'm obviously an idiot when it comes to these things, I'll sit back and enjoy the video of a bit of fancy flying, because as far as I know, nobody got hurt. If someone is doing what they think is a "cool" stunt and people got hurt, there is no denying that they were a straight-up idiot, and there is no excusing that, and that person should be grounded. But to condemn every stunt like this as dangerous and stupid, that's going a little far. Do you think the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds should get rid of the F/A-18s and F-16s and get kites, because they are going way too fast and way to high? Or have you ever sat in awe and watched them doing "cool" stunts?

 

 

*I didn't want to put my whole number on the web, becuase there are all kinds of sickos out there, and I really don't know what could happen with it, probably nothing, but better safe than sorry...

[Frazer]

This looks more like a justified and safe flyby, I would love to stand there!

To Mobius, excuses if I took your post too serious but you never know in this community ;-) Also good to hear you are a serious pilot. Btw, I also think that this last low pass in the video was very dangerous for the ppl, certainly if he used burners. But with this rollover combined with slow speed and low altitude could have end in a crash if he pushed it a little too far.

[Mobius1]

No problem at all, that's why we're here isn't it, to discuss these kinds of things. ;) I'll agree with you that if he was going close to the stall speed it could have been dangerous, but he was really moving. Also, if you watch at 1:06 is when he starts the roll after the pass, and he never really goes past 90 degrees, which is just like a really steep turn. I've done steep turns up to 60 degrees in a Cessna 172, and trust me, it really feels like you're almost past 90 degrees, and the airplane really flies almost the same, but an F-4 is built for that kind of manuevering, so I'd think it would be alright, as long as he didn't stall, becuase that would just end badly.

[Frazer]

I'm not sure we are talking about the same moment, the dangerous moment is at 0:37, there he rolled more than 90 degrees and very close to the ground. (after looking at it the 2nd time, the speed wasn't near stall speed)

Btw, no offence but 60 degrees of bank feels like 60 and 90 as 90 to me, but that is probably because you don't do aerobatics.

[Mobius1]

Ohhhh, I didn't notice that one before, that is kind-of scary looking. I'd think he probably had it under control though, as he didn't crash. Also, I guess I've never been to 90 degrees of bank before, and I did 60 for the first time last fall for my BFR, along with the "old" way to do lazy-eights, and that was the most extreme flying I had ever done, but hopefully not the most extreme I'll ever do.:D

[britgliderpilot]

I know someone's head was chopped off by a glider pilot who also thought to do a "cool" stunt.

 

Neil Stuart Lawson?

 

There's a bit more to that story than you imply . . . . . not least of which that the sadly departed Mr Lawson was deliberately standing in such a place as to be able to get a good photograph of such a thing. Firstly because it was his job, and secondly because that cool stunt was at the time considered commonplace.

 

The 2006 rules now prohibit competition finishes to a height of 30 feet, btw.

IMO it's about time - there've been two fatalities and one very serious accident that I know of due to people getting the finish a little bit wrong.

 

 

Is that Schleicher's cockpit bars visible in your avatar, btw?

[Frazer]

Flying the ASK-23 there on that avatar yes. About this little story you probably heared more than me. But i still think that if you chop off someones head means that you are flying less than 2 meters above an object. Don't you think you are pushing it a little bit too far then? I still blame the pilot.

[britgliderpilot]

Flying the ASK-23 there on that avatar yes. About this little story you probably heared more than me. But i still think that if you chop off someones head means that you are flying less than 2 meters above an object. Don't you think you are pushing it a little bit too far then? I still blame the pilot.

 

IIRC he was standing on a car at the time - but yes, it's pushing it too far.

 

 

The Phantom's not supposed to be something you play too much with at low level - the overbank at that altitude looks frightening, and the camera angle for one of the low passes certainly makes it look rather too close for comfort.

[yamangman]

That may be the official 'political correct' agenda, but judging by some of the pilot homevideos on the net it seems that more dangerous is indeed regarded as cool among ( fighter ) pilots. Perhaps not so much in the US airforces but more among the French and British.

 

Like that insane American who killed himself and all his passngers in that B-52.