Very Cool F-22 Video...

[mikoyan]

Well it is not an su-37 , but looks like the raptor flys like an f-18 at high aoa with super engines, and yes the display was plain, but it is a 130 million birth, thats to much money! it looks like the raptor has a great Maximum instantenous turn rate.

[Necroscope]

Looks like fat lazy cow on ice... :\

Su-27 much better.

[D-Scythe]

I've just watched the video. Am I missing something here? Because I'm finding this display extremaly boring? Except that they've shown that the aircraft can fly there was nothing more, really.

I'm used to watch fighter jets flying (mostly 29s) over my head when I worked in the airbase and pilots did more interesting displays just to burn the extra fuel before landing. This video seems like public display, and there's nothing really extraordinary about it. Oh well.

 

Anyway F-22 is a remarkable plane.

 

For the last time, this was not an actual Raptor airshow display, but rather the pilot being BORED while waiting to do a flyby.

[GGTharos]

Looks like fat lazy cow on ice... :\

Su-27 much better.

 

Shows how much you know :)

The Su-27 performs EXACTLY those sorts of 'fat lazy cow on ice' maneuvers at airshows.

[Cobra360]

I bet the pilot was told not to perform any classified stunts. :lol:

 

Still waiting for the day the F-22 performs the super cobra ( a cobra 360 as I like to call it ) . Only then will it impress me. ;)

 

Still an impressive fighter, over-priced but impressive.

 

The Flanker is still the no.1 airshow bird IMO.

 

Quickly runs for the anti-flame Superhornet, Raptor and MiG-29OVT suporters battle amor. :lol:

[Pilotasso]

The jealous sulking & whining is what's boring. The F22 has a lot more substance behind it than a grossly overhyped airshow trick. By the way- there's nothing wrong with taking technology (like thrust vectoring) that someone introduced (publicy) before you, improving upon it, and packaging it in a manner that suits your own individual needs. Hmm.. how many examples of outright theft of American technology can we come up with ??

 

By the way- how many of these cobra-pulling airshow stunt planes are out there in service? These "vastly superior" machines that will be our death?

 

 

 

I thought so.

 

Exactly, just because you invented a technology doesnt mean your better at it. We introduced the fire arms technology to Japan 400 years ago and they soon learned to kick our asses out of there. :D

[ALDEGA]

Anyway, no, it wasn't '20 years in the making' ...

It sure was 20 years behind the Flanker :P

 

Who are you going to fight with the F/A-22? ...

 

One thing that should be obvious by now is that there is a much bigger chance of fighting non-regular militia than fighting a regular army with clear targets.

 

Luckily, I didn't pay taxes for its development :)

[Cobra360]

It sure was 20 years behind the Flanker :P

 

Ok, ok now. Lets be fair. The YF-22 first flew in 1990/1. It was just 15 years in the making. :P

[ALDEGA]

*cough*RAH-66*cough*

[GGTharos]

Well, now that everyone else is sitting 20 years behind the raptor ... ;)

 

As for who they're going to fight - who's Russia going to fight with their upgraded flankers?

 

What about China?

India?

 

Pretty silly question you ask there ;)

[GGTharos]

*cough*RAH-66*cough*

Wanna count the number of failed projects elsewhere? ;)

 

The commanche was a dud since it's pointless to stealth something that already operates stealthily in most circumstances ...

 

But there were things learned from its development that have been applied to other helicopters, both in terms of stealth, efficiency and systems. The 66 itself though was ... not needed.

[ALDEGA]

Wanna count the number of failed projects elsewhere? ;)

20 years in the making, billions invested? Not that many examples come to mind :)

 

Btw, GG, you would make an excellent fisherman.

[GGTharos]

Nah, I don't fish ;)

 

Like I said: This invenstement wasn't exactly a complete waste, or anything near that. A lot of the technology developed there has been in some ways applied to both military, and in some cases civillian helicopters resulting in reduction of noise pollution, etc.

 

That the project failed, well ... duh. Single-engined attack helo? Come on ;)

[ALDEGA]

You've been going after all of my bait ... ;)

[Necroscope]

Shows how much you know :)

The Su-27 performs EXACTLY those sorts of 'fat lazy cow on ice' maneuvers at airshows.

 

Sorry, but i`m unable to upload some video that show what Su-27 performs EXACTLY.

 

And BTW - Su-27 is MUCH older!!!!

[GGTharos]

You've been going after all of my bait ... ;)

 

You're not doing any better!

 

(Oops I did it again ... :P )

[GGTharos]

Sorry, but i`m unable to upload some video that show what Su-27 performs EXACTLY.

 

And BTW - Su-27 is MUCH older!!!!

 

 

I've seen Su-27 performance videos. It performs the same 'lazy fat cow on ice' maneuvers. That is the entire POINT of high-AoA slow speed handling demonstration, and the flankler's claim to fame.

 

And yes, it's much older ... so? Okay, it did the Cobra 'first' for whatever reason. But if you are going to claim that 'doing it first' means something (And hey, I do it too!) then I say AMRAAM will own all other air forces ;)

[mikoriad]

I happen to believe the Comanche still flies...... reguardless of what "they" say

[Rastus]

Nice, but can it do this?

 

http://www.patricksaviation.com/aviation_videos/266/Su-37_Maneuvers

[Pilotasso]

Well...it aslo probable that in the US they adopt more conservative displays for safety issues. Russian pilots usualy do stuff with their aircraft that would take US pilots into court martial.

[britgliderpilot]

It sure was 20 years behind the Flanker :P

 

Who are you going to fight with the F/A-22? ...

 

One thing that should be obvious by now is that there is a much bigger chance of fighting non-regular militia than fighting a regular army with clear targets.

 

Luckily, I didn't pay taxes for its development :)

 

 

Yeah, but the moment you say "Hey - we don't need this!" and stop the project . . . . . sod's law guarantees that a new threat will pop out of the woodwork ;)

 

It takes close to twenty years to bring a modern fighter into service from the design phase - a threat in international politics can develop in five years or less. It's a lot better to have a suitable aircraft waiting, than be caught napping and just not be able to respond.

 

What would happen if (just for example) China in ten years time gets belligerent and the Raptor was cancelled in the 90's?

At best, you'd have aircraft on a level spec with the enemy - that's no way to fight a way you want to win. If you can predict world politics twenty years ahead . . . . THEN you cancel weapons systems like that, but not before ;)

 

 

Can't argue with the "Flanker got there first" argument - it did. To some extent the Raptor still isn't as maneuvrable as some of the supermaneuvrable Flanker prototypes . . . . . but it has a long, long list of other attributes which mean it doesn't need to be ;)

 

You can only upgrade a Flanker so far - in the end, the Raptor will always, always be able to see the Flanker before the Flanker sees the Raptor. First look DOES mean first shot, almost always means first kill.

 

 

I'm seriously impressed with the Raptor as a fighting aeroplane - you don't need to be a test pilot to do the maneuvres in a Raptor that you see Flankers doing at airshows.

 

 

What else . . . . oh yes:

 

IIRC when an F-16 pilot tried to snap the nose of a MiG, the MiG pilot stopped him ..

 

 

Yes, but I felt that comment was rather unqualified. I got the distinct impression from that article that the F-16 pilot tried to fly a maneuvre in a MiG in the same way that he flew it in the F-16.

You can be a bit more ham-fisted in a Viper than a Fulcrum . . . . . without knowing the story in it's entirety it's hard to draw a solid conclusion from that.

[ARM505]

If I had to have a plane in my hangar to throw around the sky over weekends, I know what it would be...

 

(Clue: NOT an F22 ;) )

[Kegel]

"Yep. That just killed the flanker's claim to fame"

 

& it only took the US 20 years to catch up...

 

I love the way when it was a Russian thing only there were endless cries of "it's a gimick" & "there is no real life application for manouverability of that kind in modern warfare", but now that the F-22 has publically displayed a cobra there is a collective cry of "YESS!!!, WE CAN DO IT TOO!!"

 

 

LOL You just hate America because well...lets just call it Penis envy. LMAO.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

As for who they're going to fight - who's Russia going to fight with their upgraded flankers?

What about China?

India?

Pretty silly question you ask there ;)

This thread should be closed. :music_whistling:

[nscode]

You can be a bit more ham-fisted in a Viper than a Fulcrum . . . . . without knowing the story in it's entirety it's hard to draw a solid conclusion from that.

 

What you wanted to say that you actually need to know how to fly :)

 

 

You can only upgrade a Flanker so far - in the end, the Raptor will always, always be able to see the Flanker before the Flanker sees the Raptor. First look DOES mean first shot, almost always means first kill.

 

Never sey never. Don't always say always. Never say always, always :)