OnlyforDCS Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 Hi, like the title says Im the proud new owner of a used (in good condition) FFB2 joystick. Ive been looking for this stick for quite some time and have finally found one! :) Ive enabled force feedback in the options and went for a quick free flight with the P51D to check it out. Right now the joystick feels kind of finicky and twitchy but that might be just my inexperience of configuring it properly. So any tips? Ive read that I need to swap axes but that doesnt seem to do anything... Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
1.JaVA_Platypus Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 Hi, like the title says Im the proud new owner of a used (in good condition) FFB2 joystick. Ive been looking for this stick for quite some time and have finally found one! :) Ive enabled force feedback in the options and went for a quick free flight with the P51D to check it out. Right now the joystick feels kind of finicky and twitchy but that might be just my inexperience of configuring it properly. So any tips? Ive read that I need to swap axes but that doesnt seem to do anything... Well, I can only recommend to set some 'curvature' in the axis tuning. It will dampen out some of the twitchiness. Happy Flying! :pilotfly:
OnlyforDCS Posted July 20, 2015 Author Posted July 20, 2015 Thats odd. I read that curvatures are a big no-no with force feedback joysticks. After playing around with it some more I noticed that the force feedback motors are only engaged when Im gripping the handle, when I release it it goes rather slack. Is there some kind of sensor on the joystick that detects whether Im gripping it or not? Makes for rather awkward hands off flying. Can that be circumvented somehow? Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
Lobinjaevel Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 There is a optical sensor on the front side of it. It's there to deactivate the motors when you're not gripping it, covering it up with tape or similar solves is. But be aware that it will move around if your still in-game after that.
OnlyforDCS Posted July 20, 2015 Author Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) Thanks will give it a try. But be aware that it will move around if your still in-game after that. What do you mean by this exactly? Move around how? (And why is this a bad thing??) Edited July 20, 2015 by OnlyforDCS Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
sydost Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 If swap axis is not set your elevator trim trims the aileron and aileron trim trims elevator. I think trimming is pretty much the only effect which the swap axis affects. Except maybe the over G shake on SFM FC3 aircraft but it doesn't matter which way it shakes. In Mig-15 module I had to also invert the pitch axis FF effects to get the pitch trim to work in correct direction. To configure swapping and invert settings you need to just test it out and see which combination gives the proper outcome for trimming. My experience is such that swap axis should be on for every module.
Lobinjaevel Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 What do you mean by this exactly? Move around how? (And why is this a bad thing??) Just a warning that it will do what you expect, but it can be pretty "violent" in some games, for example FSX. It can throw it self around pretty hard if you have strong FFB settings. Edit: Without you gripping the stick ofcourse
Abburo Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) When an FF efect will occur you normally counter it with your hand. That is why that sensor will enable FF as long as your hand is on joystick. Like a steering wheel bumping with no hands on it.... it will shake/move/tremble in all directions. This sensor is doing a great job, you have to get used to it without covering. As a tip: you can trim a plane/heli and then you can put your hand outside sensor area and the plane will remain trimmed without having to work with the real trimmers. This is not aplicable to G940 which sensor is returning the joystick on the center. Edited July 21, 2015 by Abburo Romanian Community for DCS World HW Specs: AMD 7900X, 64GB RAM, RTX 4090, HOTAS Virpil, MFG, CLS-E, custom
OnlyforDCS Posted July 22, 2015 Author Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Thanks for the replies. Due to the unbearable heat wave currently hitting my city I have been reluctant to sim in these past few days but will make an effort to try out both the Huey and Mi8 with the Sidewinder today. Sometimes I like to grip the joystick very lightly and at that point the sensor doesnt recognize my grip, so I will try out both methods (playing normally, and taping over it) to see what works best for me. P.S. Gotta say the buffet/stall warning you get through the stick is worth it alone. Finally I can at least somewhat guess at what riding the 'stang at its limits felt like in RL :) Edited July 22, 2015 by OnlyforDCS Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
OnlyforDCS Posted July 23, 2015 Author Posted July 23, 2015 Taping over the sensors eliminated most of the twichiness. Feels great now, I can safely say I will never use anything but a force feedback joystick for WWII or helicopter modules from now on. The Huey was a little weird, can't put my finger on it but maybe Im using the trim system wrong. With teh Hip it was a lot more natural. Really need to try it with one of the fast movers now, like the Mig21 or F15C... Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
Abburo Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 I have both MS FFB and G940. For some reasons I like more G940 effects, but it has a weak point while on neutral where it has a slight free movement. For this reason MS FFB become more precise in this position. I also cannot think at flying without FF. And I really cannot understand why a Warthog quality/precision is not combined with a FF ... Romanian Community for DCS World HW Specs: AMD 7900X, 64GB RAM, RTX 4090, HOTAS Virpil, MFG, CLS-E, custom
majapahit Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 MS FFB2: 1. you have to 'swap' axis in the FF controls setup, or else 2. find the utility simFFB.exe, it further customizes FFB2 feedback a. spring force b. damper force, c. friction force 2cts | VR goggles | Autopilot panel | Headtracker | TM HOTAS | G920 HOTAS | MS FFB 2 | Throttle Quadrants | 8600K | GTX 1080 | 64GB RAM| Win 10 x64 | Voicerecognition | 50" UHD TV monitor | 40" 1080p TV monitor | 2x 24" 1080p side monitors | 24" 1080p touchscreen |
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