Su-35 will see active service :)

[ARM505]

How on earth would the Iranians provide service and support to F16's? Surely that would make them dependant on American goodwill to a certain degree? Having the aircraft is one thing, keeping them in decent condition is quite another...(how are their F14's doing?)

[Maverick-90]

(how are their F14's doing?)

still Flyin' AFAIK they are good at maintaining them, if i recall correctly they can nearly Build F-14s down there!

[RedEleven]

yes, i was talking about No. 711. so. did it crash? i'm so soryy to hear that. i like that plane and i think is was awesome with TVC.

do you have some articles about that crash,pls?

i'm a big fan of russian fighters, so i'm interested in any article about them.

[GGTharos]

still Flyin' AFAIK they are good at maintaining them, if i recall correctly they can nearly Build F-14s down there!

 

Uh ... no! :megalol:

[Cobra360]

yes, i was talking about No. 711. so. did it crash? i'm so soryy to hear that. i like that plane and i think is was awesome with TVC.

do you have some articles about that crash,pls?

i'm a big fan of russian fighters, so i'm interested in any article about them.

IIRC, 711 lost a tailfin due to metal fatigue while performing a display, the pilot was unable to recover it before it hit, the pilot did eject. The Flanker could have kept on flying with only one tailfin had it been higher and not in a high AoA attitude at the time.

 

Sukhoi have said that their latest config of the Su-35 and 35UB will be fitted with TVC as standard as those fitted to the MKI which are more advanced than those fitted to the two Su-37s.

[JaBoG32_Prinzartus]

yes they catch illegal immigrants coming from the US :D

 

Really? I think those people "leaving the US in a hurry" usually have plenty of cash, and therefore are warmly welcome in Mexico!

 

At least that's what I've learned from watching Road Movies. :police:

[JaBoG32_Prinzartus]

Off the top of my head, J-35 Draken has been sold to Austria, Denmark and Finland. I can't recall any Viggen sales though, and Austria also used Tunnans.

 

What are Tunnans? I am not sure what this is, but I have never heard of it in Austria! The Draken is no longer in service. They (at least one) can be seen in the technical museum in Vienna.

 

Currently waiting for the Euro-Fighter, Austria has least some F-5 Tigers from Switzerland to maintain Air-Space surveillance.

[Guest IguanaKing]

Really? I think those people "leaving the US in a hurry" usually have plenty of cash, and therefore are warmly welcome in Mexico!

 

Yup...that's EXACTLY why they are looking for them. If you're flying near the US/Mexico border and end up having to land on their side of the fence...ready cash gets you back home fast. Has happened to a few of my customers. One guy lives down there during the colder months though...he loves it.

[wsoul2k]

Nope...you're not wrong. The US should just give Hugo the big "do what you want to...the rest of the world gets along just fine with or without your participation."

 

Venezuela can do a big wound in USA economy just selling his OIL in Euros...and chaves already stated it can be done in future...the is a REAL BIG problem for USA

[TucksonSonny]

Venezuela can do a big wound in USA economy just selling his OIL in Euros...and chaves already stated it can be done in future...the is a REAL BIG problem for USA

 

Or worse Venezuela can refuse to sell to the US and sell everything to China.

BTW, Iran is selling almost exclusively to China (in dollars).

[Guest IguanaKing]

Venezuela can do a big wound in USA economy just selling his OIL in Euros...and chaves already stated it can be done in future...the is a REAL BIG problem for USA

 

Nope. Not really. Economic leverage works both ways and Venezuelan oil is a pretty small part of the overall oil picture.

[RedEleven]

10x foar your answer, Cobra360. i hope that decizion wiil be puted in practise, because otherwise it would be a big lost for the aviation.TVC is a step that shouldn't be skept.

[wsoul2k]

Nope. Not really. Economic leverage works both ways and Venezuelan oil is a pretty small part of the overall oil picture.

 

They are the number 10 in 2005 and already jump to number 6 in 2006 in world production ..IF they sell it in Euro the dollar will suffer a big fall in world market

 

And Chaves was negotiating this CHANGE in selling oil with china ....

 

it can work in both ways....but not in this mather....if they ( venezuela ) dont sell it in dollar or dont SELL it at all...always someone ( china ) will buy it

 

if Chaves change to Euro others will folow and then USA will have a big problem..

[Stealth_HR]

What are Tunnans? I am not sure what this is, but I have never heard of it in Austria! The Draken is no longer in service. They (at least one) can be seen in the technical museum in Vienna.

 

This is a Tunnan.

[TucksonSonny]

They are the number 10 in 2005 and already jump to number 6 in 2006 in world production ..IF they sell it in Euro the dollar will suffer a big fall in world market

 

And Chaves was negotiating this CHANGE in selling oil with china ....

 

it can work in both ways....but not in this mather....if they ( venezuela ) dont sell it in dollar or dont SELL it at all...always someone ( china ) will buy it

 

if Chaves change to Euro others will folow and then USA will have a big problem..

 

Not only the USA but also Europe and your country (Brazil) which is still a young country (with young population) kind of a raising economy like China who needs a lot of oil too.

[Pilotasso]

LOL US popularity is on a downhill lately. Everybody wants to picture the worst scenario possible. I sense this is because once a voice is made heard others will soon follow in a chorus, when US is already having plenty of concerns theres always someone arround bound to take a poke at it to profit something. I dont believe much in these politicians from latin america spanish speaking countries that seem to be joining to this wave, saying they finaly want to make justice and counter the US politics. I dont see how this can be at the same time these same countries have too much laundry to do indoors on that department. Its not a question of their leaders conciousness but rather oportunity exploit on their part.

 

This is also feeding the press and the general media with "and now this is it for the americans" type of hype.

 

I have my opinion on the matter but I always like to get a healthy distance to see the big picture (or at least try). It seems to me despite what GWB may be, he may yet actualy play a usefull role to the world by showing what needs finaly to be donne that should have been donne long ago...using his method of (drums: brrr brrr tshhh!) neglecting those problems beyond belief! :D

 

Its Ironic isnt it? ;) World self balances through the means of its own worst defects...its poetic realy.

 

No matter how bad things seem to be, theres always something usefull that comes from the most traumatic history events. In the present day I beleive widespread use of oil for industry and automobile may just have come to its maximum peak and innevitably following to decline. Europe has been pioneer of technological inovations for envirometaly and industrial efficient methods os sustained development but after this I think the final thrust will be given by the US and will push the world behind it or face loss of competitivity.

 

Im willing to bet this is going to hurt on the short and med terms but will be highly beneficial in the long term. Lets wait a see, and when when we get to be battered old farts, we can then say, "we predicted this would happen, world realy comes arround in mysterious ways!" ;)

[Guest IguanaKing]

They are the number 10 in 2005 and already jump to number 6 in 2006 in world production ..IF they sell it in Euro the dollar will suffer a big fall in world market

 

And Chaves was negotiating this CHANGE in selling oil with china ....

 

it can work in both ways....but not in this mather....if they ( venezuela ) dont sell it in dollar or dont SELL it at all...always someone ( china ) will buy it

 

if Chaves change to Euro others will folow and then USA will have a big problem..

 

I never said anything about oil or the value of the dollar versus Euro, but economic pressure DOES work both ways...the US isn't as powerless in that department as you might think. :smilewink: I wish we could be like you guys in Brazil though. I recently heard that Brazil no longer needs to import oil because of the use of Ethanol, and Flex Fuel vehicles. They're starting to become available here, but I haven't seen one yet. I have FAR too many rich customers who are heavily invested in oil for them to not go down swingin' though. The cool thing...is that these guys are domestic developers.

[Alfa]

Guys - please stick to the topic of the thread and stay away from the political considerations ;)

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

[Guest IguanaKing]

Roger that Alfa. The region in question IS a hot-bed of political activity at the moment though. Kinda hard to avoid. ;)

[wsoul2k]

Not only the USA but also Europe and your country (Brazil) which is still a young country (with young population) kind of a raising economy like China who needs a lot of oil too.

 

The desvalorizarion of dollar can do a big harm to all contries with an emerging economy ( Including Brazil )

 

I really dont Like Chaves.... and a majority of our population dont like him also...and now after his Influence over Evo Morales on the Nacionalization of the hidrocarburetos ( Natural Resouces ) we here in Brazil like him even less

 

But we here are not afraid about this kind of act because Brazil in MAY just became autonomous in OIL production.....( We produce more then we use )

 

and in 2 year will be autonomous in GAZ production.

 

So in 2 year we will not be afected by prices flutuation of OIL and GAZ

[wsoul2k]

I never said anything about oil or the value of the dollar versus Euro, but economic pressure DOES work both ways...the US isn't as powerless in that department as you might think. :smilewink: I wish we could be like you guys in Brazil though. I recently heard that Brazil no longer needs to import oil because of the use of Ethanol, and Flex Fuel vehicles. They're starting to become available here, but I haven't seen one yet. I have FAR too many rich customers who are heavily invested in oil for them to not go down swingin' though. The cool thing...is that these guys are domestic developers.

 

OK i get it now :thumbup:

 

Actually all new domestic vehicles here in Brazil must be Flex Fuel or it wont sell

 

Here in Brazil some trucks os bus are already trying use the BIODIESEL...it is made of mamona OIL im prety sure you will like the flex cars at least 5%more power on the same engine :)

[wsoul2k]

Guys - please stick to the topic of the thread and stay away from the political considerations ;)

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

 

 

Sorry alfa...i was just replying as i read the posts ..sorry

 

to stay on topic.....the SU-35 (this info os out of record)just win the Braziliam selection to be its next figther but EMBRAER make an partnership with dassault oferring the Mirage2kBR(An upgraded version of the M2k-5 with some avionics of the rafale ) and some senators and congress was puting a LOT of pression over FAB ( Braziliam Air Force ) to select the mirage because Embraer is a NATIONAL company.....and this was a punch in the face to FAB generals...soh they just quit the selection choosing none ....

 

Now FAB can use a constitutional law givingthe rigth to buy any figther without pre-selection because it is a National securyt cause.

 

If Embraer dont became a partner ship of dassault the choose one was the Su-35

[wsoul2k]

BTW the France president is comming to Brazil and the behind the scenes talk say the Braziliam Navy and FAB can use a common figther ;)

[Pilotasso]

OK i get it now :thumbup:

 

Here in Brazil some trucks os bus are already trying use the BIODIESEL...it is made of mamona OIL im prety sure you will like the flex cars at least 5%more power on the same engine :)

 

DId you spelled it right? "mamona" (i.e. Whooping titie?) LOL

 

Sorry alfa...i was just replying as i read the posts ..sorry

 

to stay on topic.....the SU-35 (this info os out of record)just win the Braziliam selection to be its next figther but EMBRAER make an partnership with dassault oferring the Mirage2kBR(An upgraded version of the M2k-5 with some avionics of the rafale ) and some senators and congress was puting a LOT of pression over FAB ( Braziliam Air Force ) to select the mirage because Embraer is a NATIONAL company.....and this was a punch in the face to FAB generals...soh they just quit the selection choosing none ....

 

Now FAB can use a constitutional law givingthe rigth to buy any figther without pre-selection because it is a National securyt cause.

 

If Embraer dont became a partner ship of dassault the choose one was the Su-35

 

 

I think you are indeed better off with a western fighter than the Su-35. Transitioning to that technology may prove to be strong to digest after you had all the experience with french technology in the past.

 

Since the french are going to close the Mirage 2000 production lines to sell the Rafale I think this proposition is much more balanced since you can have the same type operating with your carrier and with the airforce. You wont have the range of the Su-35 and you wont have a low aquisition price such as that but in the long term it will probably prove to be better in the terms of technology experience background, maintainability and logistics.

[Force_Feedback]

DId you spelled it right? "mamona" (i.e. Whooping titie?) LOL

 

 

 

 

I think you are indeed better off with a western fighter than the Su-35. Transitioning to that technology may prove to be strong to digest after you had all the experience with french technology in the past.

 

Since the french are going to close the Mirage 2000 production lines to sell the Rafale I think this proposition is much more balanced since you can have the same type operating with your carrier and with the airforce. You wont have the range of the Su-35 and you wont have a low aquisition price such as that but in the long term it will probably prove to be better in the terms of technology experience background, maintainability and logistics.

 

Who do you think the French worked closely with from the 1980-ies? ;)

 

Russian tech isn't that bad, especially all the talk about maintenence, I mean, their planes have a very sophisticated "objective maintenence" system, which logs every hour of operation of different equipment, to predics failures and ease the ordering of parts. It's like the Leopard-2 of aviation, designed for easy maintainability, thus reducing costs. And I don't think the su-35 still uses tape streamers to store the data, even the Mig-29BM got solid state memory now.

The eniges get better and better too, the resource, before major overhaul for the engines is now like 2000 hours, though the definitions are completely different from Western aircraft. Sure the su-35 will cost more to maintain than the F-16, but it is so much more capable too. The two engine design will always increase cost, but you get performance no single engine plane can give (climb rates, fuel capacity).

Lol, just seen pictures of a Mig-31BM with maintenence instructions, and warnings in English :P There were some Russian warning messages as well.

 

Wee, two F-16 did a Mach .98 pass over my house, w00t! (may also be .95 :P)