"Buddy Spike" - DCS World Online Events

[Kartoffel]

Nope, the MI8 we have has substantially stronker engines, which is quite important in a map where you have to go over 2900m mountains sometimes.

 

Oh, I must read up more on the mi-8 it seems! :helpsmilie:

[mia389]

Never heard of the term assymetric ballance?

 

If one side has a leg up in one area (F-15 with Amraams and the best ground attack plane for Example) then the other side should have a leg up on a different area (better choppers/SEAD).

 

That´s assymetric.

 

Right now it looks like this.

 

Best Air superiourity fighter = blue, Eagle vs 27.

Best Interceptor = blue, Mirage vs 21.

Best SEAD aircraft = None

Best Ground attacker = blue, A-10C with TGP.

Best Ground Attack Choppers = red, KA-50 vs Gazelle.

Best Transport Choppers = red, Mi-8 vs UH-1

 

3:2 for blue

 

Do you see the issue now?

 

LOL!!

 

but, migs/su27s carry way more missiles. Both can be deployed into battle faster than the F15. Mig 29 can take multiple missiles. Russian A/C have EO. where is all this in the balance? Balance is subjective. Blue has better RWR and that is about it. So saying the eagle is the best fighter for blue flag in the current state. This is my opinion and you see it does not match yours. I think its been very balanced. I think red has the advantage in the air and blue has the advantage in the ground.

 

We really need to stop these B/S post about balance and let the host run what they want on their server and just deal with it. We all have our own opinions on how it should be run and whats fair but its Buddy Spikes that counts.

 

If some people get their way there will be no one on the server. Yesterday it was pretty balanced.

[levanoga]

I'm pretty certain the Ka-50 was ready for combat deployment long before its service date..

 

It wasn't as it wasn't in service. I mean who would have piloted the thing? The test pilots over at the Kamov Design Bureau? You do realize what is happening when an aircraft goes into service right?

[Chrinik]

The fact is, we're playing a video game. The primary purpose is fun. A stacked losing battle and guaranteed defeat isnt fun. If its not fun, people won't play. If people don't play, whats the point?

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

 

And that is exactly what removing X Y and Z from redfor will lead too. I´m suggesting last ditch efforts so that we actually have a chance convincing people it´s worth their time. What I´m suggesting is simply "hey, you handicapped us in four ways, and the other guys only in two ways...shouldn´t that be an equal number?"

 

I appreciate your offer to join Red. Will put things in perspective.

[BodyOrgan]

Here we see an amraam shooting down a target in 1982. So...if you're gonna start manipulating the criteria for red, allow me to retort.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

 

I was simply stating the likely hood of these two aircraft being operationally ready before their service date due to their history. You probably haven't read anything about it.

 

Forgive me if I don't consider your scoreboard the comprehensive accepted standard. Shrug. A single su25t carries enough ordnance to finish off an entire airfield while a single a10 cannot. That's asymmetric balance too then, isn't it?

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

 

Looks like we don't agree after all. You don't care about balance. You simply want your cake and eat it too. It's pointless engaging in a conversation with you.

[Beeroshima]

I could say the same about your ka50 story. "Oh, it wasn't in service but it could have been"

 

I see you're an expert in "want your cake and eat it too"

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[Enduro14]

not to stoke these fires any further but im pretty sure the ka50 saw action with Russian Spetznaz...... during the timeframe your disputing

[Chrinik]

LOL!!

 

but, migs/su27s carry way more missiles. Both can be deployed into battle faster than the F15. Mig 29 can take multiple missiles. Russian A/C have EO. where is all this in the balance? Balance is subjective. Blue has better RWR and that is about it. So saying the eagle is the best fighter for blue flag in the current state. This is my opinion and you see it does not match yours. I think its been very balanced. I think red has the advantage in the air and blue has the advantage in the ground.

 

We really need to stop these B/S post about balance and let the host run what they want on their server and just deal with it. We all have our own opinions on how it should be run and whats fair but its Buddy Spikes that counts.

 

If some people get their way there will be no one on the server. Yesterday it was pretty balanced.

 

LOL.

 

You obviously don´t know how to fly an Eagle then...with both pilots equal, the Eagle wins in Weapons, Avionics and Flight performance, number of missiles, additional sensors fuel capacity and other such trivia seem to not affect the metagame or performance at all.

The SU-27 is disadvantaged against the Eagle if all factors are considered. AND THAT´S FINE! The fact that competent pilots can beat clueless Eagle drivers in a fight by using their plane right does not mean the planes are equal in power.

 

And to add to your list, the Su-27 has DL that doesn´t work in Multiplayer...

 

Or are you serriously suggesting the Eagle is weaker then the Flanker? I´d have to beg your pardon...

 

Mig-29 is also currently competing with the EAGLE, as the MiG-21 was chosen to oppose the Mirage on forward bases. NOT the 29.

Edited July 19, 2016 by Chrinik

[Beeroshima]

Enduro, cite some sources and I'll say "I stand corrected"

 

As I said previously, I like the ka50. I fly it. I'd miss it if it was gone (I do as bluefor). It's more an indictment of the "80's only" feasibility with the platforms we have available.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[levanoga]

not to stoke these fires any further but im pretty sure the ka50 saw action with Russian Spetznaz...... during the timeframe your disputing

 

Wrong, first combat sortie was in the 2nd Chechen war in 2000. It was introduced in 1995. But yeah that's in the 80's for you. :megalol::megalol::megalol:

[Chrinik]

Forgive me if I don't consider your scoreboard the comprehensive accepted standard. Shrug. A single su25t carries enough ordnance to finish off an entire airfield while a single a10 cannot. That's asymmetric balance too then, isn't it?

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

 

A single A-10C carries enough ordonance to do it...sorry if I don´t consider your weapon limitation to be only missiles as the de-facto measure of performance of a ground pounder. Are you refuting my scoreboard, if so, I´d like to see your reasoning as to why the A-10C is NOT the most capable groundpounder in BlueFlag, or DCS in general. Way to miss the point I suppose.

 

And if you want, we could go through every plane, point for point, and compare. I did, but it seems like you disagree.

 

So you are telling me that 6 Mavs to take out the long range SAMS, and GBU-12s or CBU-105 and guns for the rest are NOT enough to take out a base?

 

Are you kidding me? You just don´t want to have your toy messed with, it seems. On what basis are you defending a TGP the A-10C arguably doesn´t really need to do it´s job, but gives it capability far exceeding anything the opposition has available?

Remove the Vihkrs then, if it gives you so much headache to not be superiour in EVERY OTHER WAY!

 

And I said, I´d be fine with KA-50 scrapped if it would be my server.

Edited July 19, 2016 by Chrinik

[Enduro14]

I guess i was thinking cold war era not strictly 80's. Oh well....

[Beeroshima]

For starters, ill suggest you review our available loadouts. We're not allowed cbu 105s. If you take away the tgp, you take away gbu 38s and 12s. leaving us ccip bombing with mk 82s...and rockets. If you can single handedly close an airbase with that, please instruct me, oh god of the a10.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[Beeroshima]

Also, an airfield has 5-6 osas, 3ish strelas, 3 or 4 shilkas, 2 bunkers, the white house things...leaving targets that must be destroyed up near 15 or 16. That's all assuming no Kubs are anywhere in play. If it can be done, show me how. Show all of us on blue how. I'm an average a10 pilot. Maybe above average because I understand pretty much all of its systems with a few tiny exceptions. I'm not great, I'm above average, but I challenge you to close an airfield in one alone. We'd all love to see it.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[BodyOrgan]

I could say the same about your ka50 story. "Oh, it wasn't in service but it could have been"

 

I see you're an expert in "want your cake and eat it too"

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

I'm sorry, did you say something?

[microvax]

Really guys, Whats even the point, if we go by in service we have to scratch literally so much stuff that the concept of blueflag becomes unusable. If you want a 1980s setup, set one up.

 

There is no point in discussing what plane is wanted in what state by which person.

 

We should just call the 80s thingy a "low capability" setup and decide what weapons shall stay and which shouldnt. The small selection of units we have simply doesnt give enough room for leaving out entire airframes.

[Beeroshima]

Did i say something? Well, you quoted me, so, you know I did. Shrug.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[Beeroshima]

Really guys, Whats even the point, if we go by in service we have to scratch literally so much stuff that the concept of blueflag becomes unusable. If you want a 1980s setup, set one up.

 

There is no point in discussing what plane is wanted in what state by which person.

 

We should just call the 80s thingy a "low capability" setup and decide what weapons shall stay and which shouldnt. The small selection of units we have simply doesnt give enough room for leaving out entire airframes.

This is a concept im ok with. The part that's unacceptable to bluefor is where we call it a time period battle to justify removal of certain weapons redfor doesn't like while not examining redfor assets that would be eliminated by the same time restrictions. When we do the latter, people show up saying "well I'm sure they were combat ready so they should be in" and other nonsense.

 

Let's just call it what it is.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[microvax]

 

And just for the sake of banter.

The knowing reader/observer will know what i am hinting at. xD MJ2 FTW

Edited July 19, 2016 by microvax

[Enduro14]

How about making the numbers of advanced weapons and equipment so limited that smart planning will have to ensue to make best use of them....

[Beeroshima]

 

And just for the sake or banter.

The knowing reader/observer will know what i am hinting at. xD MJ2 FTW

 

Saaaaaaaaab

[BodyOrgan]

Did i say something? Well, you quoted me, so, you know I did. Shrug.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

I didn't understand you? What did you want to say?

[microvax]

How about making the numbers of advanced weapons and equipment so limited that smart planning will have to ensue to make best use of them....

 

While that is technically an Idea I do like, without an restricted player pool, which is terrible, that would lead to so much bad feelings. :DD

 

I mean lets say you reduce the amount of available aim120s to 4 F15 loadouts per 3h period. That sounds like an good Idea, but it will simply happen that random people who arent even on comms, join in are like "gib all the 1337 missilz plox" to the ground crew, and thats it. :D

 

So when you have a plan to use them they are not available so yee... I am perfectly fine with a low capability weapons and high capability weapons setup.

 

Its both fun on its own. Once I forgot to load anything on muh KA50, just took out the FARP with Gun only, its a lot of fun ! But also storing all targets as NAV/TGT points, setting the thing to route mode and just close in at 60kph to a FARP, just clicking NAV+waypoint+lock+launch until everything is dead is fun as well ! :D

[Beeroshima]

I didn't understand you? What did you want to say?

 

Just disregard it man. it was probably just more of me wanting restrictions applied without bias.

[Beeroshima]

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Its both fun on its own. Once I forgot to load anything on muh KA50, just took out the FARP with Gun only, its a lot of fun ! But also storing all targets as NAV/TGT points, setting the thing to route mode and just close in at 60kph to a FARP, just clicking NAV+waypoint+lock+launch until everything is dead is fun as well ! :D

 

And this is the thing. Not many of us on bluefor know how to use mark points to scout an entire AO, then take it out with rapid successive weapons releases. There are a couple. I have never seen anyone do this in the KA50, even though it's capable. I'm certainly not trained enough in it to do it.