WhiskeyRomeo Posted June 2, 2006 Posted June 2, 2006 I believe we could make a patch for LO\FC when Vista officially released. There are at least several versions of SF protected games out there that run OK. X3 Reunion and Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory for example. Probably there are others. The SF company forum says this about SF/Vista compatibility: FWIW; About a week ago I visited the same SF forum post and found a different reply than the one you see above. To the best of my memory, in somewhat fractured Russlish, they said certain early versions of SF would not work with Vista but that more recent versions (3.4 and above if memory serves) would work. The post also said that many games would need to be installed by the administrator account, and use the "XP Compatibility" setting that Vista will have. It's interesting to note that the updated text there now still has the date/time group of the original post. Maybe "they" thought we wouldnt notice the change. I'm not clear which version of SF is used in LO/FC so it's not clear if FC will run on Vista with just a Driver update or, as mentioned, it will take a patch to ensure compatability. Still - it would be nice if ED would confirm if FC will run on Vista Betas with the updated driver SF makes available on it's website. :music_whistling: Hopefully, BlackShark will be using the latest version of the SF SDK and so be Vista-ble right out of the gate. The issue of Ring-0 drivers for SF really isnt different from other software that use Ring-0 drivers - which is almost all Anti-virus and Firewall programs that provide "active monitoring" for example. On a side note the SF website says the latest version of SF protection has achieved the "Designed for Windows XP" certification. Hopefully they'll be able to make the same claim for the Vista version.
RvETito Posted June 2, 2006 Posted June 2, 2006 Yep, any SF thread ends this way... Is it so hard to understand that???? "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
504 Wolverine Posted June 2, 2006 Posted June 2, 2006 I see no reason why this thread would be locked. It was a legitimate question and it was answered (eventually). He wanted to know if BS or FC will work on Vista. Plain and simple. I know that there is the anti-SF bandwagon that blame everything on SF (from cancer to birth defects) but I am now starting to see a SF fanboi club that want to stop any questions SF related, legitimate or not. Will we see the "nothing else to see here" comments when the 50th "We want an F/A-18" thread is posted again? [/url]
504 Wolverine Posted June 2, 2006 Posted June 2, 2006 Seems like a stupid policy to lock any threads concerning Flaming Cliffs (and/or Black Shark) copy protection. Don't get me wrong, I have no problems with SF. Lock the usual "Starforce ate my hamster" type stuff but legitimate concerns shouldn't be shunned off like this. [/url]
WhiskeyRomeo Posted June 2, 2006 Author Posted June 2, 2006 Locked threads seem to attract "extra" attention. We all want to know what caused them to get locked! My primary intent was to show that there exists an upgrade path to Vista compatability. As evidenced by currently released games using SF that do run under the Vista Betas. I'd not want to read too much into Dmut's post in the last (locked) topic but its the closest yet to anyone on the ED Team hinting FC doesnt run on the Vista Betas. Due to the way MS Vista development is handling Legacy games it might be a good idea to have the FC Vista Patch out well before Vista Launch (as early as possible) so that a Unique LockOn "game defination file" makes it into Vista's "GameExplorer" via the Application Compatibility tool. Those "game defination files" are helped along by Beta Testers who give feedback to the Vista Dev team. So having Flaming Cliffs running early on Vista Beta's can only be a good thing. Hopefully this won't apply to Black Shark because ED makes BS a "Vista Supported" game that does all the setup-related work to add itself to the Game Explorer with it's own Game Defination File.
SUBS17 Posted June 2, 2006 Posted June 2, 2006 Why is it that if a game is uninstalled the SF drivers can't be removed? I was reading a article by Vista beta testers who said that the SF removal tool didn't work. They will have to update the removal tool as well. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted June 2, 2006 Posted June 2, 2006 It's called a 'bug'. And sotware devs rightly do not remove the SF drivers after uninstallation. I mean, just imagine ... you remove the drivers, suddenly another game might complain. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
MonnieRock Posted June 2, 2006 Posted June 2, 2006 Seems touchy around here. I am also interested in the long term goals of Lomac,FC,and BS with Vista. Once DX10 hardware and Vista is released, they will be on my systems. Hopefully ED and Starforce are pro-active, not reactive in this future change. Waiting till the last moment is not good. Vista and DX10 are not going away. Thanks, Monnie Dual Core Poll Please Vote Rack Rig: Rosewill RSV-L4000 | Koolance ERM-3K3UC | Xeon E5-1680 v2 @ 4.9ghz w/EK Monoblock | Asus Rampage IV Black Edition | 64GB 2133mhz | SLI TitanXP w/ EK Waterblocks | 2x Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB | Seasonic 1000w Titanium | Windows 10 Pro 64bit | TM Warthog HOTAS w/40cm Extension | MFG Crosswind Rudders | Obutto R3volution | HP Reverb
WhiskeyRomeo Posted June 3, 2006 Author Posted June 3, 2006 Hopefully ED and Starforce are pro-active, not reactive in this future change. Waiting till the last moment is not good. I agree with both points. Things look promising. It's good to read that SF is going to make the effort to get its Vista drivers into the MS Vista digital signature program. There is a driver update out now for Vista Beta testers. And SF made the effort to get SF ver 4 drivers through the "Designed for Windows XP" testing - another good sign. Imagine how much smoother the Flaming Cliffs roll-out would have been if ED and Starforce were able to point out then that SF drivers met the testing criteria in the "Designed for Windows XP" program independtly verified by VeriSign/Veritest. OK, its unlikely that would have satisified everyone. It's not certification that SF drivers will run problem free on all possible combinations of hardware, drivers and software. Still - IMO - any one who was sitting on the fence un-decided, listening to the turbulence caused by the initial SF debate(s) and seeing that SF had passed the "Designed for Windows XP" independent type testing would have had an easier choice to hop down off the fence and buy FC. The debate would still have (IS still) taken place anyway but maybe the volume of the debate would have been lower, and move civil. OK, maybe THAT is stretching wishful thinking a bit too far :unsure: :director: An early patch to Flaming Cliffs so that beta testing can get it included in the Vista Game Explorer will help ED avoid problems in the long run when inexperianced users start the migration to Vista. Expert computer users should be able finesse getting 1.02 and FC to run under Vista. Having a specific "Game Definations File" for will go a L O N G to helping those for whom a computer is still a mysterious desktop adornment that can occasionally do interesting things..
SUBS17 Posted June 3, 2006 Posted June 3, 2006 It's called a 'bug'. And sotware devs rightly do not remove the SF drivers after uninstallation. I mean, just imagine ... you remove the drivers, suddenly another game might complain. No the SF removal programme should remove SF. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
WhiskeyRomeo Posted June 3, 2006 Author Posted June 3, 2006 No the SF removal programme should remove SF.You maybe using an outpdated SF removal utility. Try the latest version. There is also the protect.exe file in the Lock On main file folder. It will give you the command line instructions to delete the SF drivers. You can also delete the SF drivers manually using Device Manager.
Sleek Posted June 3, 2006 Posted June 3, 2006 it's a good point imo so why lock the thread?? freedom of speech and all that.. Be Good..Be Strong..:drink: ;)
SUBS17 Posted June 3, 2006 Posted June 3, 2006 You maybe using an outpdated SF removal utility. Try the latest version. There is also the protect.exe file in the Lock On main file folder. It will give you the command line instructions to delete the SF drivers. You can also delete the SF drivers manually using Device Manager. Thanks man, it wasn't for me though I don't intend on uninstalling FC. Its for those guys who are beta testing Vista. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
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