Very interesting read about modern radar performances

[aimmaverick]

Here is the link http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-4999.html

I dont know where did they get that info, but it states detection/tracking ranges of F-22, Eurofighter... Just scroll down the page.

[Pilotasso]

It would be interesting to know something about the russian types and the ones on the mig and F-16.

[Cobra360]

The APG-80 that is listed is used on the F-16E/Fs. Plus the APG-80 is an export radar and therefor not full spec. The full spec version may be fitted to exsiting CCIP US F-16s in the future.

[Pilotasso]

Well, the APG-80 is a rare bird. I was referring to the APG-66V2 and the APG-68 wich are much more standard and common, same as the Mig-29's radar wich I understand are AESA and potentialy have more examples sold than the block 60 F-16.

[GGTharos]

I recall reading that the F-15C's in GF1 were picking up mig-sized targets in look-down at 80nm.

[Pilotasso]

I get the same in LOMAC but at 60 miles and only if they exceed 500 knts. Usualy SU-27 or su-33's.

[Guest Cali]

I get the same in LOMAC but at 60 miles and only if they exceed 500 knts. Usualy SU-27 or su-33's.

 

60 miles seem to be the norm for me as well, haven't notice the speed though. I have picked up 29's from that far out as well, can't lock them though.

[GGTharos]

You can pick up migs in look-down at 40nm or thereabouts in LOMAC, equal to the mig's look-up range, actually.

 

A far cry from the stated 80nm head-on detection value claimed.

[Pilotasso]

60 miles seem to be the norm for me as well, haven't notice the speed though. I have pickeds up 29's from that far out as well, can't lock them though.

 

They will desapear if speed drops to 300 knots or if they turn away.

[Guest Cali]

They will desapear if speed drops to 300 knots or if they turn away.

 

Ohhhh thats why they dissappaer for no reason, oops nevermind that. Does anyone know why I would loss lock on a 29 at 40 nm with him flying straight towards me? His angels were 25 (25,000 feet) and he was doing anything crazy. I would lock him then he would break lock somehow and dissapear/ reappear?

[Cobra360]

IRL radars have a greater detection range aginst headon aspect targets than tailon aspect ones. It's down to changing RCS and the use of different PRF modes on the radar to take account for the target aspect. As for loosing lock and then reappearing it could be that the target is beaming you but you do say that he is flying towards you. Doubt lockon even models half of that.

[GGTharos]

He may be blinking his jammer. Or warping.

[Guest Cali]

He may be blinking his jammer. Or warping.

 

I think it's warping, because when he turns his jammer on/off I lock him and then lose lock. But he doesn't dissapear and reappear and this has happen with only 1 guy (which will remain nameless)

[Pilotasso]

I think it's warping, because when he turns his jammer on/off I lock him and then lose lock. But he doesn't dissapear and reappear and this has happen with only 1 guy (which will remain nameless)

 

Nope. Thats ECM blinking all right. Warping usualy is visible when he flies into the infinite while you can still track him. I think ECM blinking (it breaks lock intantly after lockup) is a macro that swiches ECM on and off so fast that it wont even show a strobbe and will always break your lock instantly no matter what untill very close ranges. But before you get close enough youll take an IR missile in the face.

I see it too and I happen to know whos an avid adept of that but Ill keep it away from these boards.

 

ED should implement ECM pod intialization delays to prevent code exploits such as these.

[GGTharos]

More to the point they should force the ecm to choose the top three primary threats to jam and be ineffective against the rest, kinda like the real stuff. In addition, HoJ missiles should be using proportional navigation.

[Colt40Five]

Can anyone point me to information on these systems?

 

H. Advanced functions for Microwave-weapon / CPU virus spreader/ Net-Hacker:

 

Also anything on use of lateral AESA arrays would be sweet...

[Shaman]

Can anyone point me to information on these systems?

 

H. Advanced functions for Microwave-weapon / CPU virus spreader/ Net-Hacker:

 

Also anything on use of lateral AESA arrays would be sweet...

 

I'd also like to know about this? It sounds like from hollywood science-fiction.

 

Stealth2, brand new North Korean Eddie-fighter2.0 is frying his enemies balls at BVR range with his uber microwave shots from onboard radar forcing US pilots to wear uncomfortabble testicles protectors, to no avail. No more kiddos! It doesn't end here; brand new jet-flu virus is spreading among all modern jets as soon they turn their radars and receivers what manifests itself by showing broken pr0n links on all MFDs. Early 21st century airwarfare- is cool.

[Pilotasso]

I havent read much about microwave offensive tactics and capabilities.

Theoreticaly any radar can kill a pilot if its powerfull enough and close enough. AESA radar give about twice the range as their mechanical array counterparts but I'm not sure how this equates into radiating power.

Its possible that with AESA a fighter could concentrate all its radition into a small dot killing a pilot at a distance but it would have to be aimed milimetricaly and only through the cockpit glass, and I'm willing to bet, at close ranges only, time at wich your are too busy with shots in the air anyway.

[GGTharos]

I havent read much about microwave offensive tactics and capabilities.

Theoreticaly any radar can kill a pilot if its powerfull enough and close enough. AESA radar give about twice the range as their mechanical array counterparts but I'm not sure how this equates into radiating power.

It's all about getting a cleaner signal ... AESA are still subject to antenna size for radiating power specs.

 

Its possible that with AESA a fighter could concentrate all its radition into a

 

No, it isn't. 'Don't cross the beams Venckman'. ;)

 

small dot killing a pilot at a distance but it would have to be aimed milimetricaly and only through the cockpit glass, and I'm willing to bet, at close ranges only, time at wich your are too busy with shots in the air anyway.

 

The whole 'hacking' 'virus delivery' and so on is a bunch of BS - and I don't mean the helicopter.

That should give you an idea of how credible that list is - while they may have gotten some of the ranges fairly correct, feel free to ignore the utterly baseless and delusional BS that some people like to throw in there for kicks. Net hacking and virus delivery ... heh. What's next, they'll switch to the old Viper model so their nav systems won't get exploited? ;)

 

Or maybe someone read that it's capable of 'electronic warfare' and assumed what EW meant ...

[Shaman]

Or maybe someone read that it's capable of 'electronic warfare' and assumed what EW meant ...

That's why I've made some fun of it. I guess whoever primarily wrote that BS about "virus spreading, and microwave shots" seen to many hollywood movies :lol: or watched/listened to the Channel-0 for too long ;)

 

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[Canibus]

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under the direction of President Harry Truman

and in the interest of national security

A group of twelve top military scientific personnel were established

This group's primary objective

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And to suppress the material evidence that our planet is being visited

by a group of extraterrestrial biological entities called the grays

 

Tune in to channel zero (8X)

 

[Canibus]

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And reality becomes illusion

If I showed the masses where we was at or where we was goin

I'd shatter the social balance of the world as we know it

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When our souls were sold to the heavens

for technologically advanced weapons

Crystal enhanced, brain implants, and mind control methods

MJ-12 is not majestic

And the focal point of our problems on this planet are not domestic

You can accept it or be stupid and be a skeptic

and fail to recognize the secret society's deathwish

Ninety-seven percent of our Presidents were Masons

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for the construction of underground military installations

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A hundred and fifty stories below a basement

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Cause through the manipulation of certain biological agents

they create strange creations

Top secret special operations

Low frequency sounds and lasers, people like Carl Sagan

that didn't believe in the Drake equation

were tryin to keep Western civilization on the need-to-know basis

Well you need to know that this is a game

and we're bein betrayed and played in the worst way

 

Tune in to channel zero (8X)

 

[Canibus]

Yo, the holy script from Genesis 1-26

says, "Let us make man in our image under our likeness"

First of all who's THEY? You see if God

was truly a single entity that's not what he would say

We as the Elohim, Gods and Goddesses

posess a marvelously monsterous subconscious

Lifeforms that speak, in very high pitched sounds and squeaks

Short staccato clicks and beeps

A highly advanced form of speech

Even though to us it seems like they only chatterin they teeth

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Til they fins transformed into limbs and they started to creep

Then they evolved into mammals with feet

And walked right from the shorelines onto the beach

They used gravity, cause it's actually the only force around

that could slow time and the speed of light down

The energy grid network, opened the gateway from Earth

to any point in the universe

Livin organisms and various, geomagnetic gravitational, anomaly areas

Space expedition teams in the lunar regions

reported seein, decapyramids and tetrahedrons

Liquid filled shoes, is what they used

to walk across the moon without leavin a clue

of where they been for the past twenty-three billion years

Before life on the surface even appeared

I hope you become aware what I'm spittin in your ear

was intended to stimulate your left-brain's hemisphere

I know it sounds weird, all these mother****in answers

and questions to the grand deception

 

Tune in to channel zero (16X)

[Perry]

Interesting read but nevertheless I don't think that any of those numbers is accurate. It is a opinion-post to me.

[Prophet_169th]

That's why I've made some fun of it. I guess whoever primarily wrote that BS about "virus spreading, and microwave shots" seen to many hollywood movies :lol: or watched/listened to the Channel-0 for too long ;)

 

Never heard of Channel-0, sounds pretty interesting.

 

http://www.channel-0.org/ganahl.php

 

Pretty good article IMO.