Air-To-Air Quickmission

[WelshZeCorgi]

Wonderful plane, can't get enough.

 

 

Has anyone tried the A-to-A quick mission where you have to kill an opposing L39?

 

As hard as I try, getting the missile to actually track and kill the target.

 

I can get both R-3s off the rail, so no, I didn't forget to flip the trigger and arm the missile and seeker. I can fire them both but once I get on the AI's tail, he just turns hard forever.

 

Trying to kill him in that sustained lvl one circle flight is hard. I've tried cutting the circle or even reversing to get into a two circle fight, but the AI seems to be programmed to get itself into a defensive one circle and just do that till it runs out of fuel...

 

I have shot it down twice, one rear angle shot and one low deflection where he was crossing my sight at a very low rate.

 

I've once shot both missiles from his rear quarter and both failed to track, even though the AI was flying straight and level.

 

I don't play A-A much, but anyone here got any general tips or lessons about how these R-3s's work?

[Radbes]

I tried it. I was shot down 4 seconds after I pressed "fly".

[audax]

I can't bring that plane down. In my opinion, this engagement clearly shows why you need a gun if your missiles are shit. :D

[golani79]

Just tried it out - could launch a few missiles but had no luck.

 

I found it a bit strange though that I´ve got locks when the enemy plane was at positions where I thought it impossible to get a lock (somewhere near my 3 / 9 o'clock) and I didn´t get locks where I thought I should get one (pretty much on his six).

 

But then I´m a noob when it comes to missiles and stuff (mostly I´ve got experience in WWII and Korea planes when it comes to air combat :D )

[audax]

It is the about the same missile as the one from the Sabre, which we all know isn't good for anything except killing bombers.

 

I'll stick to the MiG-21bis for my BFM needs for now (even though the cockpit has the worst visibility you can get in a fighter…).

[xxJohnxx]

I found it a bit strange though that I´ve got locks when the enemy plane was at positions where I thought it impossible to get a lock (somewhere near my 3 / 9 o'clock) and I didn´t get locks where I thought I should get one (pretty much on his six).

 

Just keep in mind that you can now get a lock tone if your IR seeker is facing the sun. Might add to some confusion. :smilewink:

[golani79]

Ah, that could explain it - thanks for the information xxJohnxx

[Chann3l]

Took about 20 minutes but finally shot him down. Kept pulling close on him and then pulling the stick back slightly too far and bleeding too much speed

[michaelsenna]

Yea it is hard as (insert object). It's a rear aspect missile and the fact that you can't launch it when pulling more than 2g's makes it extremely hard to get a good shot. I guess the optimal use of this aicraft (in terms of a2a) would be interception of smaller aircraft where you aren't expecting a turn fight :p

[WelshZeCorgi]

I guess the optimal use of this aicraft (in terms of a2a) would be interception of smaller aircraft where you aren't expecting a turn fight :p

 

Smaller aircraft? Do you mean bigger aircraft? Wouldn't a smaller aircraft turnfight better?

[michaelsenna]

I guess you are right, I was kinda imagining scenarios with small turbo props at the time of writing that haha

[some1]

The optimal use of this aircraft for a2a is to not use this aircraft for a2a.

 

Maybe some target practice at non manoeuvring targets.

[OnlyforDCS]

Does the ZA version have the capacity to equip a better IR missile?

[some1]

Probably r60

[Deezle]

I was never able to get a missile off the rail while I had a lock tone, I was able to launch without tone while pointed at the bandit, the first missile tracked but missed as he turned, the second missile found it's mark.

[foxbat155]

Gentleman, first in reality L-39 never was able to fire R-3S. She was only capable take training round R-3U. This is not combat aircraft but training machine, so don't expect some extraordinary capabilities. Young pilot had only discover the general rules for use those kind of weapon. Real combat training was later in combat unit.

[Chilts]

I modified the mission so that the enemy aircraft was a C17, makes it a bit easier!

 

Also, don't forget the safety catch on the stick and keep hold of fire button until missile leaves the rail.

 

PS. C17 can take two missiles and continue flying!

[Durnox]

Well, just tried today. After dancing with my opponent... turning and turning and turning ... (repeat this for ...20 Minutes!) I finally got a lock. BUT I could nearly see the white in the eyes of the other pilot. Not to say I had too much g's. Anyway I forced this situation several times, forced a lower g to shoot, but the missile went straight ahead...

 

Watching this on tacview showed: the lock-tone appears only in very close situation...500/600m, if not even closer.

 

In the documentation I found this sentence:

"when target visible size is 3-2 times smaller than the rangefinding circle, launch missile" When doing this there is no lock tone - but you can shoot anyway....and HIT! I tried it several times and it worked quite well (but not always) - the enemy is then about 1.4km away.

 

So: If the opponent is running from you, you have the pipper before his nose and his plane is relatively small: Shoot!

 

Maybe the (too) late lock tone is a bug?