Yurgon Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 My question is: Does the a-10a and a-10c have enough similarities that what I could learn with the a-10a is transposable to the a-10c? I agree that there's no replacement for the A-10C. I've only spent some 5 or so minutes in the A-10A so I can't really comment on that. The flight model seemed very much comparable to the A-10C, but without clickable cockpit, it just plays in a different league. For me, every single step of learning the A-10C was gratifying. I enjoyed watching videos, I enjoyed going through the interactive tutorials. Step by step, this insanely stuffed cockpit started to make sense. Meaningless bunches of buttons turned into logically grouped units, connections between knobs and systems became apparent, and more and more the whole thing started to make sense. The A-10C is one of the easiest to fly aircraft in DCS, but pretty much the hardest one to get good at. I don't think there's any way to replace the learning curve, or even prepare for it. But I think it's worth diving into it right away. Maybe just try to get it started up, taxi, take off, fly a traffic pattern, land. Need to learn that anyway. :) Throw in a few emergency procedures, shut down a single engine mid-flight, stuff like that, and you'll have a rewarding learning curve, and all of that will absolutely be useful later on, when you start to really get into the systems and their complexity. Even with limited time, learning to fly the A-10C will be a rewarding experience IMHO. :thumbup: And now for something completely OT: Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me One of the most awesome soundtracks for one of the most awesome shows ever! :thumbup: "Everybody dies, Tracey. Someone's carrying a bullet for you right now, doesn't even know it. The trick is to die of old age before it finds you." :D
Kev2go Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) Those 2 reassons are disadvantage for me. how so? especially point 2. IRL sabre were capable of breaking the sound barrier in a dive and recovering, whereas mig has very severe control stiffening above approaching 1000 kph. th op wants a simple full fidelty module. F86 offers versatility while remaing very simple despite having more advanced features and post korean upgrades over the mig15. but again it depends what you want to do. some people might want something more modern or just ground pound exclusively. which the Op failed to mention. which is why suggesting verstile, multirole fighters is a good idea in these cases. mig21 is also be versatile, but problem with it has no natural opponents at this given time. ( F5E only beginning development) .mig21 atm can only really give attackers like the a10 or su25 a bad day, and fight other mig21,s which is sort of boring.. mig21 vs 4th gen FC3 aircraft isn't very fun at all, especially for someone like the Op who says they don't have the time to play that much. Edited November 18, 2015 by Kev2go Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD
Simon81 Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 For my point of view if You want to learn somethin -learn from the best. Even when it's harder at starting point. Use no shortcuts. Only then You'll appreciate what you have accomplished. Comparing Mig to Sabre at their limits for me it's better to aware of what can happen when you cross the "red line". If it's simple to recover then You'll can understate other serious issues related to flying technique. You must be aware of closing to arcft maximums. For me DCS with models like Mig-21, Mig-15, Mi-8 and L-39 are the closest thing to real flying. If You looking for a easy fly models then in my opinion try other "sims" like World of Planes or so...
Kev2go Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) For my point of view if You want to learn somethin -learn from the best. Even when it's harder at starting point. Use no shortcuts. Only then You'll appreciate what you have accomplished. Comparing Mig to Sabre at their limits for me it's better to aware of what can happen when you cross the "red line". If it's simple to recover then You'll can understate other serious issues related to flying technique. You must be aware of closing to arcft maximums. For me DCS with models like Mig-21, Mig-15, Mi-8 and L-39 are the closest thing to real flying. If You looking for a easy fly models then in my opinion try other "sims" like World of Planes or so... Don't see how f86 or a10c or uh1h aren't closest to the real thing. But those eastern bloc modules are. Of course older tech is simple and easier to learn. After all some people prefer stick and rudder aircraft to flying over complicated systems that do the flying for you. ( ww2 and Korean era aircraft is perfect for this) But again. If the f86 Ilan accomplish more versatile functions while maintaing sophistication in its avoincis without being over complicated. Most rl pilots would call aircraft like this a pilots plane for a reason Looks like someone's just a "angwee" telling people to get lost to wowp. Fc3 already accomplishes simplicit with advanced functions Edited November 19, 2015 by Kev2go Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD
Simon81 Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Don't see how f86 or a10c or uh1h aren't closest to the real thing. But those eastern bloc modules are. One simple thing give me the reason to judge the f86 model as not quite as good as You tryin to tell me. During a dogfight with my friend I was able to give him a burst and left of his stabilizers was ripped off. After that I lost him from a sight and was pretty sure he will fall of the sky. He was manage to maintain control, he was able to return to the dogfight and as he speak "with missing stabilizer aircraft performance was higher than before" Strange, isn't? I know ther's a lot of bugs and things will be better and better, but in this case I suspect rather not so realistic flight model... I didn't bought A-10c or Huey model, so it's hard to tell by myself how they fly. And as a real life pilot and instructor I admire simplicity with realibity at first place according to aircraft fly model. Versality and other stuff are further...
dburne Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 Looks like they are starting a big sale today through the 26th, so now is a good time. I may have to finally grab the Huey now... Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero|
Delerium Posted November 20, 2015 Author Posted November 20, 2015 Howdy! Sorry for the late answer... Thanks for the replies. In the end, I guess you're all right. Going to slowly learn the A-10C. I have the bad habit to always look at everything all at once which ends up in confusion / frustration. So I'll follow advice and take simple steps one by one. Let's start that plane and take off! And... since there's deal on some birds right now, I think I'll get the Mig21 and keep it in the hangar for later. ;) Appreciated your input, was very interesting to read. - Delerium.
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