jojo Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 Export Mirage have M53-P2. Greek too. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
mattebubben Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 So glad to have stired the forum a bit up. i am not a french weapon systems expert by any stretch and unfortunatly my library (my huge library) is about 5.000km far from here. You are probably right about the MICA MAGIC 2 confusion i had. And yes, the Greek versions of the Mirage2000 are rather different as far as electronics are concerned. The engine issue is still...... an issue though. When i was dreaming of a delta winged aircraft i was kinda wishing for the Viggen though. But now a question. Has any one of you took a closer look of the F16XL programm? Was that insane or what? p.s A fun fact. You know the water faucet type with one lever where you are mixing with one movement hot with cold water instead of the old two faucet system? That was originaly from a Mirage F1 regulator. A mechanic took the idea and..... the rest we all know. Well if you where wishing for the viggen you ought to be excited as we are getting a viggen => (From leatherneck)
mvsgas Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 JoJo, I read your answer, saying it can do a tail slide or showing the video does not say anything unless I plan to do those maneuvers all the time and nothing ells. sedenion, thank you, merci, gracias. One thing to mention on the Mirage 2000/F-16 comparison. I do not know enough of the Mirage 2000, but the F-16 had/has 7 different engine, ranging from PW-200 to the GE-132. Lots of different weights on the aircraft as well. In order to compere them we would have to be more specific, very specific. On a side note, I learn very, very basic Russian for the KA-50, looks like I will have to learn very, very basic French for the Mirage 2000. :D :book: To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
mvsgas Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 Sedenion, On your post, it is mention a TT2 and TT5 probes, are this temperature probes? In the F-16, TT2 is a temp probe in the engine reading the air temperature as it enters the engine and TT5 reads air temperature as it exits the combustion chamber and before it enters the high pressure turbine (HPT). I was just wondering if they are common term/names fro those air reading probes. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
sedenion Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 Sedenion, On your post, it is mention a TT2 and TT5 probes, are this temperature probes? In the F-16, TT2 is a temp probe in the engine reading the air temperature as it enters the engine and TT5 reads air temperature as it exits the combustion chamber and before it enters the high pressure turbine (HPT). I was just wondering if they are common term/names fro those air reading probes. As i understand, Tt2 and Tt5 refer to temperature, yes, but not specifically "probes" ( however, i assume that there is some probes that refer to these variables ). "Tt2" is described as the temperature at the compressor entry. "Tt5" is described as the temperature ahead the turbines.
mvsgas Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 Cool, thanks. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
PiedDroit Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 That's really good material, thanks :thumbup:
ineth Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 Well if you where wishing for the viggen you ought to be excited as we are getting a viggen => (From leatherneck) Some planes just sit deep in once heart. This one is for its form. The other ones are the Bf109 and Stuka my Grandpa flew with. (hangs head with shame) Would love to see a Su35 with vector thrust even if only for the flight, not fight. thanks for the heads up:thumbup: Greek/German origin. Flying sims since 1984. Using computers since 1977. Favored FS's:F/A18 Interceptor, F19 Stealth Fighter, Gunnship, F16 Combat Pilot, Flight of the Intruder, A320, Falcon 4.0, MSFS 2004-X, DCS
Charly_Owl Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 As i understand, Tt2 and Tt5 refer to temperature, yes, but not specifically "probes" ( however, i assume that there is some probes that refer to these variables ). "Tt2" is described as the temperature at the compressor entry. "Tt5" is described as the temperature ahead the turbines. TT2: Compressor inlet temperature TT5: Power Turbine inlet temperature (TIT) TT7: Power Turbine exit temperature The temperature gauge visible in the cockpit is for TT7. Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Chuck's Guides on Mudspike Chuck's Youtube Channel Chuck's Patreon
Azrayen Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) @ sedenion : one mouse, two mice (and not mices, :doh::doh: me!!). OTOH, "inlet cones" will do ;) About "To prevent stall at brutal absorption of hot air at missile launch... well, hem...": When shooting, various mechanisms play a role with the following results: - compressor stall risk notably reduced - available thrust also reduced It's a trade-off, but an efficient one :) On a general note: The wikipedia entries (in english) about the aircraft and the engine would benefit from a bit of... polishing, let's say. I tried this a few days ago, but was reversed (because not registered I guess). Anyway, not a big deal. Just stay cautious about generalistic affirmations that are certainly true in general but do not take into account specific engineering. Edited December 23, 2015 by Azrayen
sedenion Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 @ sedenion : one mouse, two mices. Ah oui, c'est vrai... je le savais en plus, au fond, dans un coin poussiéreux de ma mémoire.
Azrayen Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 ARGH. Tel est pris qui croyait prendre ^^ Merci PiedDroit.
OldE24 Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 engine Yup. Sucks bangs and blows. TT2: Compressor inlet temperature TT5: Power Turbine inlet temperature (TIT) TT7: Power Turbine exit temperature The temperature gauge visible in the cockpit is for TT7. 8700k@4.7 32GB ram, 1080TI hybrid SC2
IvanK Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 "To prevent stall at brutal absorption of hot air at missile launch... well, hem... there is a special thing ( named "shooting weakener" of something like that ) that do things and detect things with others things that prevent stall (too many technical jargon here)" This is a fairly common system. It was also used in the Mirage III and was in English known as "Fuel Dip". In short on Gun firing and missile firing a time based reduction in Fuel flow increases the engine surge margin thereby reducing the possibility of Compressor stall. Other aircraft that have incorporated a similar system are the Hunter,Scimitar and Lightning. As to Mice/Souris issues. Again the Mirage III system was very similar. Its purpose to provide a normal and Oblique shock wave. When working perfectly the intersection of the Oblique and Normal shockwave would occur at the intake lip ... this ensuring downstream flow was subsonic. The Mice began to move from there default position at M1.25 and as Mach number increased the Mice moved further forward. if the Mice schedule was incorrect you could end up with the shock wave intersection occurring well inside the intake lip. this resulted in a very loud rumbling called "intake buzz" if it wasn't cured it could lead to compressor stall. typical fix was to manually motor the mice out to the correct position.
jojo Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) JoJo, I read your answer, saying it can do a tail slide or showing the video does not say anything unless I plan to do those maneuvers all the time and nothing ells. It shows that compressor stall doesn't happen that easily... Edited December 9, 2017 by jojo Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
jaguara5 Posted December 9, 2017 Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) TT2: Compressor inlet temperature TT5: Power Turbine inlet temperature (TIT) TT7: Power Turbine exit temperature The temperature gauge visible in the cockpit is for TT7. Old thread, but I have some questions regarding the Tt7 temperature. Was practicing some IRCM tactics and have observed that the AB doesn't increase the temperature , which remains at the full mil power level. Is this normal? Is it correct that the Tt7 is not an outlet exhaust temperature and is measured before the AB section? Edited December 9, 2017 by jaguara5
jaguara5 Posted December 9, 2017 Posted December 9, 2017 Export Mirage have M53-P2. Greek too. Are modified to M53-P20
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