Т-72Б

[Coyote]

MADE IN USSR!!! :)

http://forum.lockon.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=6667&d=1152780724

http://forum.lockon.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=6668&d=1152780942

[zaelu]

It will be seen in Black Shark?

[EscCtrl]

Thats kool

 

what are the little boxes covering the exterior?

[spyro23]

Thats kool

 

what are the little boxes covering the exterior?

 

It's a reactive armor, basically the boxes contains explosive material which destroys anti-tank missile warheads.

[edward1976]

It will be seen in Black Shark?

 

The new model for Black Shark. Author - GK (&Coyote ;) ). Original post:

http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=13081&page=42

[Shaman]

It's a reactive armor, basically the boxes contains explosive material which destroys anti-tank missile warheads.

..or explosions changes flight trajectory of incoming projectile so it ricochets.

 

Outstanding 3D model.

 

 

PT-91 "Twardy" ("Hardy") (T-72 modernization) made in Poland:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PT-91

 

[D-Scythe]

..or explosions changes flight trajectory of incoming projectile so it ricochets.

 

Um...no. One, ERA does not change the flight trajectory of any incoming round, and two, current APSFDS and HEAT weapons do NOT ricochet. At all.

 

ERA doesn't really destroy an incoming weapon either...primarily, explosive anti-tank weapons form a molten plasma dart (of sorts) to penetrate armour. When an ATGM explodes against a tank, it's actually forming this dart, and is not really a conventional explosion, but a 'shaped' explosion. The purpose of ERA is to explode outward into the space where this 'dart' is formed, stopping the dart from materializing completely and thereby reducing its effectiveness.

[zaelu]

And if you use a salvo from the A10 gun? :D

[Shaman]

Um...no. One, ERA does not change the flight trajectory of any incoming round, and two, current APSFDS and HEAT weapons do NOT ricochet. At all.

 

ERA doesn't really destroy an incoming weapon either...primarily, explosive anti-tank weapons form a molten plasma dart (of sorts) to penetrate armour. When an ATGM explodes against a tank, it's actually forming this dart, and is not really a conventional explosion, but a 'shaped' explosion. The purpose of ERA is to explode outward into the space where this 'dart' is formed, stopping the dart from materializing completely and thereby reducing its effectiveness.

 

What if this reaction actually starts against "clean" purely kinetic projectile instead of cumulative warhead. I heard that one from one of our fellow panzerkopfs actually. We used to clean T-72s ;) (as draftees). No- and I didn't google for crap. Heard that one from tank crew (aka panzerkopfs).

[D-Scythe]

What if this reaction actually starts against "clean" purely kinetic projectile instead of cumulative warhead. I heard that one from one of our fellow panzerkopfs actually. We used to clean T-72s ;) (as draftees). No- and I didn't google for crap. Heard that one from tank crew (aka panzerkopfs).

 

A clean kinetic projectile? You mean an APFDS-type round? Most ERA do not affect APFSDS rounds at all, except for the Russian Kontakt-5 ERA block. However, even K-5 does not necessarily deflect/cause incoming kinetic rounds to ricochet - it defends against APFDS rounds by acting like a guillotine, as when the ERA block "explodes" the inner and outer plates sorta cuts (physically, not explosively) into the incoming APFDS round, breaking it into smaller pieces or otherwise exerting physical stress on the penetrator to cause it to lose effectiveness.

 

However, apart from K-5 (and maybe some Israeli ERA, not sure), other ERA blocks are next to useless against incoming kinetic penetrators.

 

And if you use a salvo from the A10 gun?

 

No idea. If you're shooting a tank with K-5 armour, chances are the 30 mm DU rounds would not penetrate, unless you hit an exposed area of the vehicle.

 

IMO, the kinetic penetrator most able to defeat a T-80/90 with K-5 armour would be the M829E3 DU round fired from an M1A2, but that's just me. I try to keep up with armour stuff, but I cannot even consider myself an enthusiast ...just a noob.

[Witchking]

my only HOPE and wish for BS........PLEASE MAKE THOSE SMOKE screen grenades work. It will make it soo much better....distractions for chopper pilots....very very useful gameplay tactic.

[EvilBivol-1]

your ONLY hope and wish?! ;)

[zaelu]

No idea. If you're shooting a tank with K-5 armour, chances are the 30 mm DU rounds would not penetrate, unless you hit an exposed area of the vehicle.

 

He he... but you will see a nice show of fire crackers :)

 

... also a n00b question

 

 

Mk20 fragmentation ammunition is supose to penetrate heavy armors or just soft armoured targets? Cause, for the zilion particles of the "wolfram" shrapnel (if I understood correctly) that kind of reactive armour wouldn't stand much IMHO.

[D-Scythe]

Mk20 fragmentation ammunition is supose to penetrate heavy armors or just soft armoured targets? Cause, for the zilion particles of the "wolfram" shrapnel (if I understood correctly) that kind of reactive armour wouldn't stand much IMHO.

 

The MK-20 is an anti-armour cluster bomb, that can destroy tanks, AFAIK. And ERA doesn't protect you from everything - a 500lb MK-82/GBU-12 isn't even going to notice it when it turns the tank into a burning pile of metal. The newer, dual charge AGM-114K/L Hellfires (and other ATGMs) also likely would have no problem.

[Witchking]

your ONLY hope and wish?! ;)

 

well....only hope and wish from lock on BLACK SHARK......:p.....Lomac 2 has a different wish list. :D

[TEch]

Damn that is one sexy tank. Great job!

[Shepski]

That T-72 is stunning and wait till you see the new M1A2 in Black Shark!!

[Witchking]

btw....is there a new damage model that gives debris when it is fired upon???

[tomcat1974]

What do you mean new damagr?? like turrets poping up.. which is likelly the outcome death of a T-72.

Zaelu , GAU-8 will have actully quite a good chance to detonate the ERA packages and then penetrating the remaining hull. Think of the sheer number of projectile that will rain down on th poor T-72.

[Witchking]

by new damage model....I mean something like that in IL2.

 

Some dust kicked up.

some random parts of the tank spewing apart....this can also be just a single poly tex like those of the jets.

AND

the FALLING APART of the CBU cluster bomb into bomblets. :p

[NAEMNIK]

Т-72

 

 

 

[Kusch]

Great :)

[Shaman]

My PC will die :fear:

It looks fantastic with all these ultra details, but all of these new ground units will just kill my FPS totally.

[ФрогФут]

My PC will die :fear:

It looks fantastic with all these ultra details, but all of these new ground units will just kill my FPS totally.

They will only if you fly close to them(I think they will shoot you down quicker;))

In other cases you will have a moving box as it is in FC.:)

[Shaman]

They will only if you fly close to them(I think they will shoot you down quicker;))

In other cases you will have a moving box as it is in FC.:)

Aha, so actually LOD models are working with these new ground units?

Problem is how we can identify targets then, if it is a tank or a truck, when all ground units are resembled by same cuboid.

 

I hope they'll also fix issues with LODs for weapons (missiles, bombs and such). Some of those kill FPS really bad (f.e. R-77 or weapons on Su-25T)