Jazz_44 Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 Hi all, First of all, congratulations to RAZBAM for releasing their first module for DCS World! I'm still on the fence, debating whether I should purchase the Mirage or not. I'll shell out the full price if I know the true current state of this bird. What are your overall thoughts on the following: * Current Flight Model * Completeness of the module (systems, weapon deployment, avionics) * Mission selection (Instant Action / Campaign) Will wait for some reviews on the forums of course, but if you can compare this Beta release to other previous releases, how would you compare it? I have the F86 and Mig15 and even though they had several updates, the initial Beta was good (in my opinion). Documentation is not critical for me at this point. Thanks in advance and Merry Christmas!
DrDetroit Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 Hope it has a interactive cockpit. Would be disappointing if otherwise. Merry Christmas! DrDetroit
ttaylor0024 Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 (edited) Current flight model seems almost excessively powerful As far as the completeness goes, many commands do not currently work, which hinders some of the playabiliy. Some systems are not modeled currently either, however will be fixed/updated soon. Instant action missions are included That being said, definitely pick it up. It will help RAZBAM out and you will get an awesome bird. Updates will be coming in fast Edited December 25, 2015 by ttaylor0024
Jazz_44 Posted December 26, 2015 Author Posted December 26, 2015 Thanks for the info, anyone else wants to chime in, now that the module is out there for a day?
Brisse Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) I have a few hours in the M-2000C since yesterday. I have been reading what the devs have been writing on the forums for months and they have been very honest about the state of the open beta release so I came in knowing what it was. With that said, a lot of other people have been really annoyed with the state of the module, most likely because they had the wrong expectations, thinking it was going to be as fleshed out as something like the MiG-21bis. It's really not. It's probably the least fleshed out module in DCS so far, but it's not that buggy. It's just incomplete. If you don't want to be part of the testing phase then I suggest you don't buy it yet. If you are prepared to support the developer and provide constructive feedback, while seeing the module take shape over the next few months, possibly many months, then go right ahead and buy it now. * Current Flight Model * Completeness of the module (systems, weapon deployment, avionics) * Mission selection (Instant Action / Campaign)Flight model: It's using a EFM and it's a unique experience in DCS because of the unstable nature of the aircraft and fly-by-wire. If you have been flying Falcon BMS it will be very familiar to you. The flight model is promising and enjoyable in it's current state, but not finished. It shouldn't take that much tweaking until it is spot on though. Systems: This is where there is a lot of incomplete stuff. Many systems are not yet implemented such as INS navigation. Missions: There are several quick action type missions available both on Caucasus and Nevada map. Should keep you entertained for a few hours while learning the aircraft. No training missions yet, but I found that the aircraft is really easy to figure out on your own. I barely even needed the manual, but there is a manual available if you want to get into the details. Edited December 26, 2015 by Brisse
Coxy_99 Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 Only thing i found is some instruments are not animated or seem to be missing so makes air to air difficult Like binding the radar power switch, Other than that the flight model the looks textures are spot on i can handle not having all the animations its beta, That said worth the buy
Jazz_44 Posted December 27, 2015 Author Posted December 27, 2015 Thank you guys for the honest review of this Beta. I plan to purchase it early next month.
Dazgra Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 The main problem other than those mentioned above is the only radar missile (Super 530) is not modelled correctly with very poor range. As a result, the Mirage is at a massive disadvantage vs. other 4th gen fighters currently in the simulator. Compounding the issue is the fact that the Su-27 has a lower pilot load due to HUD based radar etc.
King_Hrothgar Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) My thoughts on it: Flight Modeling It passes the physics sniff test but I know too little about the real Mirage 2000C to make any accuracy statements. In terms of feel, it's at least as good as the MiG-21's FM in terms of fidelity I think. As for actually flying it, with FBW on it's super easy. The FBW system won't let you stall, over G or anything else bad short of nose diving into the dirt. The system is really good about keeping it stable at low speeds too, so stall fighting couldn't be any easier. With the FBW system off, it becomes a different beast. It isn't the most unstable thing around but it's harder to handle than most of the other DCS planes. I will say it's easier than the Su-27 with FBW off. I guess overall it's kind of like some of the less stable aircraft in RoF. So it's certainly possible to fly manually. Systems In terms of systems, a lot is incomplete. As has been discussed ad nauseum, IFF and INS do not work currently. Some of the other bits such as the engine startup also seem to be only halfway done. With that said, once those systems are fully implemented (and Zeus has said they will be), it will be at similar fidelity to the other DCS modules. As it exists today, I find the lack of IFF problematic, but the other limitations don't bother me too much. In terms of complexity, it's similar to the MiG-21Bis to learn. It is more modern so there is less switch flicking and button mashing to do any specific task, but it has more features so the total amount of controls to learn remains similar. Content It doesn't have any training missions in the training section but other than that, I haven't looked. The manual is a half written version of the full manual, no quick start guide exists at this time. Users, including me, have started releasing youtube training videos on various tasks though, so the info is readily available if you look for it. Other thoughts The module overall is incomplete and buggy, but I still find it enjoyable. With a little more work, I think this will be one of the more popular DCS modules. It's also a better match for the MiG-21 than I thought it would be. But that might be due to a flight model issue with the Super 530. So we'll have to see how it fairs after that is sorted. Edited December 27, 2015 by King_Hrothgar
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