A2A capabilities in comparison to FC3 fighters?

[Celestiale]

Started flying modern fighters, especially the F15 a while ago. But getting bored against the AI slowly, so i plan to start flying multiplayer pretty soon. So i am very interested, how the 2000 does against the FC3 fighters in multiplayer..anyone spend some sufficient time in it so far?

 

I know most stuff on paper..BVR (if you even want to call it this way) capabilities are much worse then F15 and co due to non existant medium-range and/or fox3 rockets..

BFM should be pretty good due to the superior manouverability, but worse then Russians with their 73 and eye-lock..

dogfight probably superior to Su27 and F15, and on par with the Mig29 with better roll-rate, but worse turn rate, then the Mig..

 

how does this translate into the game?

Some combat reports would be neat :)

 

I'll definitely buy this bird, was always my favourite jet in my childhood days..only question for me is, if soon, or waiting for like for like adversaries...

[mvsgas]

I think is very comparable to the MiG-29A/G and it could be a interesting match up. With that said and depending what server you go fly in, most people fly F-15C, second by SU-27 and MiG-29S. You would have a hard time flying either the MiG-29A or the Mirage 2000C against any of those since they have longer reach. So, look around and find a server that has the match ups you like, and it should be fine. I think this mimics RL in some ways, F-15 and SU-27 being the big guys with bigger RADARS and better BVR capabilities.

Edited December 27, 2015 by mvsgas

[King_Hrothgar]

I agree with the above, though as it stands as of this very instant, even the MiG-29A out classes it. Its closest opponent, as modeled, is actually the MiG-21Bis surprisingly. A combination of under performing Super 530, lack of IFF and over performing R-3R/S means it ends up being about even. I've had a blast with it on a Mirage vs MiG-21 server, it's right at home there and those servers seem to be filling up quickly. Hopefully the popularity lasts.

 

On 104th (where everything fights everything), it suffers terribly. I have 2 kills with it there, 1 enemy fighter (Su-27 or F-15, can't remember) and one friendly F-15 that didn't respond to repeated raygun calls despite being on ts3 with me. I've been shot down about a dozen times on 104th in it.

[jojo]

The real hot challenge is Fox 1 Vs Fox 3.

 

In 1 Vs 1 almost no chance. You have to achieve locally 2 Vs 1 ratio to challenge Fox 3 shooter. It's not M-2000 C specific.

 

Su 27 has longer range and fast R-27ER so it's different.

 

Right now disadvantages are both Magic and Super limitations, and RWR display that needs tweaking.

Edited December 27, 2015 by jojo

[Celestiale]

I agree with the above, though as it stands as of this very instant, even the MiG-29A out classes it. Its closest opponent, as modeled, is actually the MiG-21Bis surprisingly. A combination of under performing Super 530, lack of IFF and over performing R-3R/S means it ends up being about even. I've had a blast with it on a Mirage vs MiG-21 server, it's right at home there and those servers seem to be filling up quickly. Hopefully the popularity lasts.

 

On 104th (where everything fights everything), it suffers terribly. I have 2 kills with it there, 1 enemy fighter (Su-27 or F-15, can't remember) and one friendly F-15 that didn't respond to repeated raygun calls despite being on ts3 with me. I've been shot down about a dozen times on 104th in it.

 

Ok, to be honest, i am not surprised, that it is this way, i thought the Mirage will be closer to the 21 then the FC3 stuff. Initially i had hoped, that we get the Mk2 (2000-5), but i guess it's all about data availability for the Devs..this kind of server seems kinda fun, i guess i have to get the 21 in the current sale. Waiting for the 2000 till it's finished. With the Tomcat we'll probably get one more plane for this scenario.

 

Happy to hear that you can put it in the same wavelengths like the 21. After all, the most important (for me), is that we get an about even playing field with more then one plane.

[jojo]

keep in mind that it's first release, weapon system is incomplete. In the end M-2000 C should have an edge over MiG 29A with jammer.

[Slipp]

When Super 530D, gets fixed it will be much better in A2A. :)

[myHelljumper]

Currently it seam that the 530D has the performance of the 530F :

 

From various sources on the net :

 

530F : range 25km/13nm

speed mach 4.5

 

530D : range 37-40km/22nm

speed mach 4.5

 

I know internet sources are not to be trust but that the only ones we've got

 

Ingame mach :

sea level 1.8

40,000 feet 3.4

60,000 feet 4.2

 

When a missile speed is annonced, i think that it is not it's speed when lunched sub-obrital ^^

Edited December 27, 2015 by myHelljumper

[Zeus67]

Currently it seam that the 530D has the performance of the 530F :

 

From various sources on the net :

 

530F : range 25km/13nm

speed mach 4.5

 

530D : range 37-40km/22nm

speed mach 4.5

 

I know internet sources are not to be trust but that the only ones we've got

 

Super 530D range is subject to altitude. The higher you fire it, the faster it goes, the longer it flies.

 

At sea level Max range is about 10 nmiles.

At 40,000 feet MSL, max range is about 23 nmiles.

It scales accordingly. Of course the No Escape Zone also scales accordingly.

 

The missile engine only burns for 8 seconds, so the lower it is when launched the thicker the atmosphere, the slower it flies.

 

Go high and it will perform better.

 

This missile was developed to intercept high flying nuclear bombers like the Tu-96 Bear than agile fighters like the Mig-29.

 

The MICA was developed to not only improve the Super 530D's capabilities but also to fill the gap for a long range fighter killer.

[mattebubben]

And the moment since alot of systems are not yet implemented the M-2000 is weaker then the Fc3 fighters.

 

But when things like the IFF,Magic 2 Seeker being slaved to radar and rvr launch warnings have been implemented and we have some improvements on the missile preformances then the mirage-2000 will be competative (if used correctly)

 

The M-2000C-RDI will never win a headon slugfest against a F-15 or Su-27 but if you use the manuverabillity and use terrain you should have a pretty good chance.

 

Ive been Doing some Training with the Mig-29 to get the prepared for the Mirage and only Using R-27Rs together R-73s and R-60Ms to train on having to get close to engage.

 

And the results from that have been good so i think the M-2000C wont do any worse (other then 2 less missiles).

 

So once the "needed" systems have been implemented the M2000 will be a deadly opponent.

 

And im sure you will be able to suprise alot of Su-27 or F-15 Pilots who think they are the top of the foodchain.

[tflash]

The Mirage is already a very good dogfighter I find! There is nothing wrong with the Magic 2 missiles, just go close enough to the bandit. Also, the Mirage can turn very sharp but is not that good in sustained turn, so you have to calculate your manoevre carefully and not keep circling around. You'll find it to be powerful and fast.

 

For the moment I find it the ideal sparring partner for the Mig-21.

[myHelljumper]

Super 530D range is subject to altitude. The higher you fire it, the faster it goes, the longer it flies.

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Thank you for the awnser, is the missile FM in it's final state ?

[LuSi_6]

ED themselfs do missile FM and stuff. The 530 is just more difficult to use, but inly slightly worse than the AIM-7

 

I defeat "excelent" AI MiG-29 A & S head on, SU-27 get tricky and is a 50/50 game. Human players tend to do different stuff for sure, but stop calling underperforming or prove with data.

 

And yes, max. missile ranges are within perfect conditions against non-manouvering targets from very high altidudes and very fast launch plattforms

[dartuil]

SU-27 in "excellent" level are very agressive !!

Wow i had a hard time trying to escape him!!