Azrayen Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 It does not matter, we know for a fact that the signal changes detectably upon launch. That settles it, then, for the couple F-15C + AIM-7M. I wonder it the same could be said about RDI + 530D. I mean, it's PD too, shot in HPRF STT, but don't know if its signal changes detectably upon launch. Wouldn't mind having a "sneaky" feature when flying the Mirage :devil: That's sounds unique :-) Unique, beautiful, lethal. What else? :D With Rafale, that's a little less unique. Indeed, for Rafale it's the RBE-2 that provides the LAM. So lame! (pun? what pun?) :doh:
jojo Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 No matter what the weapon system, locking a target in STT is considered an hostile act. So outside of exercise (and of course war where you really want to destroy the target) it's serious issue. When you're locked in STT you don't wait for the "warning launch" that may never come while the missile is already in on the way. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
GGTharos Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 That settles it, then, for the couple F-15C + AIM-7M. I wonder it the same could be said about RDI + 530D. I mean, it's PD too, shot in HPRF STT, but don't know if its signal changes detectably upon launch. Wouldn't mind having a "sneaky" feature when flying the Mirage :devil: I'm sure you wouldn't mind, but you won't get it. Since we don't know, the simulation standard is launch=warning. Unique, beautiful, lethal. What else? :D Short legged ;-) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Azrayen Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 I'm sure you wouldn't mind, but you won't get it. That's though... :cry_2: Since we don't know, the simulation standard is launch=warning. Kidding aside, sounds reasonnable (and "fair"). :) Short legged ;-) Just add big balls (nickname of the 541/542 FTs).:D
GGTharos Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Ha-ha that's a good one :-) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Corsair Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Just add big balls (nickname of the 541/542 FTs).:D +1. With these, you now have an F-15 equivalent.. in better :D
silentconvo Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 That settles it, then, for the couple F-15C + AIM-7M. I wonder it the same could be said about RDI + 530D. I mean, it's PD too, shot in HPRF STT, but don't know if its signal changes detectably upon launch. Wouldn't mind having a "sneaky" feature when flying the Mirage :devil: That's almost certainly one of those top secret answers we won't get anytime soon. But I would say the smart money is on "depends how good your electrical engineers are". :smilewink:
Rangi Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 But I would say the smart money is on "depends how good your electrical engineers are". :smilewink: And how good your SIGINT guys are......... PC: 6600K @ 4.5 GHz, 12GB RAM, GTX 970, 32" 2K monitor.
OnlyforDCS Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 the simulation standard is launch=warning. Really? I can't remember the last time I got a launch warning against any ER missiles launched at me (from Su27s) when flying the F15C...Was I supposed to? Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
TomCatMucDe Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Really? I can't remember the last time I got a launch warning against any ER missiles launched at me (from Su27s) when flying the F15C...Was I supposed to? that's weird, you should get a warning. You get it on the A10C as well.
OnlyforDCS Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Weird. Does the lock tone change? Is there a visual warning? Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
TomCatMucDe Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 yes you have both. first you hear a scary single and the launcher is highlighted. On the A10C you have an M with a circle. In the F15 I dont remember how it is highlighted, but I remember you see something. I didnt fly FC3 for a long time to remember how it was exactly. Check the manual, maybe you have a clue there?
OnlyforDCS Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 I already did check the manual, the only time when I get the M warning is with a fox 3 launch. Fox 1 launches never give any warning in my case. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
GGTharos Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 You won't get an 'M' with a SARH missile, you'll get the launch warning. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
OnlyforDCS Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 You won't get an 'M' with a SARH missile, you'll get the launch warning. Would you care to elaborate what kind warning? Is it an audio warning? *edit* Nevermind, I just read Tomcatmustdie's reply again. Im not getting either a visual or a different tone warning. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
GGTharos Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 In which aircraft? In the Mirage it's a known bug. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
AussieGhost789 Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Would you care to elaborate what kind warning? Is it an audio warning? *edit* Nevermind, I just read Tomcatmustdie's reply again. Im not getting either a visual or a different tone warning. Rapid beeps for STT and woop woop woop as your launch warning. The symbol of the launcher *might* flash on the RWR, but I can't remember off the top of my head. The launcher will generally be the primary threat though, so it will usually have a diamond around it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Airmage Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 You are correct. I've previously stated that R-27R/ER class does not provide a launch warning but i was quitted. So i want to ask something else: R27R/ER are said to have illumination sharing with other aircraft's radar. In this case, how does the target get a launch warning, if the radar aircraft only keeps the target locked as the second aircraft launches the missile?
nomdeplume Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 R27R/ER are said to have illumination sharing with other aircraft's radar. In this case, how does the target get a launch warning, if the radar aircraft only keeps the target locked as the second aircraft launches the missile? Which aircraft launches the missile is irrelevant, the RWR does not detect a missile launch. It can (theoretically) warn of a missile launch whenever the signals being emitted change when a missile is being guided, vs normal scanning/tracking of a target. The "theoretically" part is because, of course the RWR manufacturer/programmer has to know what signals to look for. So even if a system has an obvious guidance mode, if it's never been seen before then the RWR won't have been programmed to alert about a launch when it sees it. Anyway, detecting a missile launch from a different aircraft than the one that is illuminating you is no different than detecting a missile launch from a SAM site which has launch vehicles separate from the radars (i.e. almost all of them). However, if it gives a location of the missile launch, it will be the location of the radar emitting the guidance signal, because again: a RWR does not detect missile launches. The cases where the RWR cannot provide a launch warning are due to there being no detectable difference between its emissions when it's scanning normally and when it's guiding a missile. S-300 is a well-known example. I think PATRIOT also does not change its emissions when it begins guiding missiles? For active-radar homing missiles, the RWR can also of course provide a missile warning when it detects the specific radar used by the missile itself once it goes active, which is likely quite different and easily differentiated from fighter radars. Again, assuming its characters are known and programmed into the RWR. I don't know anything specifically about the R27R, but if the RWR is capable of alerting about a 'launch', then that either means there's a discernible 'missile guidance' mode that the radar goes into, or that it signals a launch warning whenever it detects the radar is tracking you.
Big Nuts Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Really illuminating! This stuff will be quite advanced in the present day i imagine, although what's to stop someone simulating it if data is not forthcoming? This is in reference to the RWR and related electromagnetic jiggery-pokery.
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