How Long Do You Think BS Is Going To Take To Master?

[Ukr_Alex]

Well seeing how deep the avionics must be, I guess the only crowd that will feel comfy with BS are the FALCON folks.

 

How long do you figure it will take to master Black Shark, in the fully manual, switch by switch, outta this planet realistic mode?

 

I think, half a year at least, at the rate I fly anyhow. For me to be comfy enough with the systems not to have to press pause and look at my notes.

 

What do you think?

[GGTharos]

An hour for getting familiar with startup, perhaps 10-20 min to dwelve into the ABRIS, about the same time for the NAV panel ... another 10 min for the weapons system ... you can go deeper, and I'd say to learn everything thereis you'd need some 5-6 hours of study, and you'll need a few hours of flying time to master the flight itself. Not -too- long, maybe 10 hours alltogether for really in-depth knowledge (this includes practice).

 

You can shorten this up a whole lot (took me a couple hours altogether, but I'm pretty familiar with most of this stuff)

[Disso]

Longer than it took us to master all 8 original LOMAC flyables together..

[Ice]

"Master" is a BIG word

[Crusty]

Longer than it took us to master all 8 original LOMAC flyables together..

 

 

...You did what??:huh:

[dynamocl]

I guess the only crowd that will feel comfy with BS are the FALCON folks.

 

You assume wrong. Sort of....

 

I was big into falcon, loved setting up the controls weapon release params etc. But when I tried the 25T, and flying online, no going back. Flying with TIR in lockon, somehow sits better with me than F4AF. Just becuase people fly lockon, doesnt mean that they can't handle the avionice of a clickable pit. Yeah I would say probably 80% + will use the one button startup for the KA50, but we are not all dumb... mostly.

 

As GG said, after an hour or so, I am sure it will become natural. But mastering the FM, that will take time (controlling it will take a little time, mastering will take longer)

[GGTharos]

You're wrong about it appealing only to the falcon crowd. ONce you run through the startup procedure and ABRIS programming once or twice, you won't even think aboutit when you're doing it.

 

From there on, everything you need should be on your HOTAS.

 

Mastering the FM is indeed not easy - you can't fly this thing like a jet (ie. Reactionary) ... you have to have a plan andyou need to be ahead of your chopper every moment you're flying it. You can't just yank the stick back and bring it to a hover from cruising speed, you'll likely do it wrong and start settling with power which can be unrecoverable.

 

You can't just yank the stick to dodge a missile (there's NO kinematic dodging of SAM or AA missiles in this thing!) ... you'll have to carefully dive or employ your countermeasures and jink.

 

It's not like a jet where you fly about, and 'oh look, a launch warning, I'll just split-S and light the burners and get away from it' ... nope. You better know WHERE you're going, WHY you're going, and WHO's THERE or you'll get eaten if the mission is built to present any sort of challenge.

 

Online with this chopper will be -fantastic-. While it is quite vulnerable to fighters once spotted, the chopper is hard to spot in the first place.

[dynamocl]

Which is pretty much what I said.

[Silent Warrior]

It's not like a jet where you fly about, and 'oh look, a launch warning, I'll just split-S and light the burners and get away from it' ... nope. You better know WHERE you're going, WHY you're going, and WHO's THERE or you'll get eaten if the mission is built to present any sort of challenge.

Oh no, I'm doomed!

 

To return to the main topic... I'll probably come to terms with the FM, and I might even learn to regularly put weapons on target in a reasonable timeframe. But doing it and doing it well under fire? Not this decade...

[Kenan]

Don't listen to GG. He has a brains of two oversized mellows so he can learn stuff faster. :D

The rest of us nO0bs will just gonna have to spend next 6 months just to figure out the startup procedure.

[GGTharos]

LOL Kenan :D

 

Nah SW, weapons are easy. You're right though, when under pressure, keeping the thing in the air -and- putting weapons on target -can- be very challenging ... this is why you should scout the area out first, mark anything you find on ABRIS, especially SAMs ... and then pick a careful route through it all, or blast your way in from a position that gives you the best cover. It takes some getting used to this more patient methodology.

[Ukr_Alex]

You assume wrong. Sort of....

 

I was big into falcon, loved setting up the controls weapon release params etc. But when I tried the 25T, and flying online, no going back. Flying with TIR in lockon, somehow sits better with me than F4AF. Just becuase people fly lockon, doesnt mean that they can't handle the avionice of a clickable pit. Yeah I would say probably 80% + will use the one button startup for the KA50, but we are not all dumb... mostly.

 

As GG said, after an hour or so, I am sure it will become natural. But mastering the FM, that will take time (controlling it will take a little time, mastering will take longer)

 

Well I wasnt trying to offend anyone.

 

All I was saying is that Falcon people will feel more at home with the new avionics where someone like me who flies lockon will have a steeper learning curve due to the fact that I never flew something so invloved.

 

And I dont not see how that makes me dumb in any shape or form.

 

 

There is a very thick line between mastering something and just being able to fly it.

 

When you master something you know the systems in and out, know what lever to pull in what direction in the most difficult of situations...simply being one with the machine.

 

Sure I can learn how to work the radar deploy weapons navigate in weeks time.

 

But to be able to be one with the machine, seeing how involved the avionics are I think it will take some time to get it down right ;)

[hitman]

Think how difficult its going to be with 6dof AND a clickable pit...gotta keep my head still till i select DAMMITTT stupid caffeine buzz...gotta turn the master arm switch on DAMNITTTT screw it Ill just press ctrl m and get it over with...

[Guest IguanaKing]

If its all that its rumored to be...I'll be right at home. Happier than an iguana in a papaya tree. :D