Can some one teach me landing?

[Zoltar]

Hi Guys

 

I purchased lock-on around 1 year back. I figured out everything, except landings :cry_2: Now after spending around a year with the sim, i figured out that my landings are not good because

 

1. I can't control the a/c pitch properly.

2. I can't make best use of the various views for looking at the airspeed, HSI, thrust and flaps etc. during my approach or IAF.

 

Otherwise i maintain pitch by holding altitude (Alt + H). Can some one send me a nice track/tutorial for improving on these points? Its painful to crash after successful missions.

 

Thanks,

 

Niranjan

[Camoman]

It would probably be helpful if you outlined which aircraft you prefer to fly. Although landing is essentially the same when you master it, since you are still learning it, it is best for us to know which plane you fly so more specific details such as speed and alpha can be given. It will be much easier for you to learn one setting of these and then apply the same techniques across the range of aircraft.

[VMFA117_Poko]

:music_whistling: You definitely need better joystick with throttle. The secret in perfect landing is proper operating thrust. Don't forget about flaps ("Shift+F"), airbrake ("B") and gear ofcourse ("G"). Also you should turn on lights ("L") and landing lights ("ALT+L" twice). Ask the tower for "Vector to airfield" if you lost and avionics doesn't help you. "Request for landing" ("\" then "F6" and "F3"). On the final keep pitch about 5 > 10 degrees above the horizon line and set your descending to 5 > 2 m/s. Speed should be about 280 kph / 140 kts. Turn on ILS by pressing "1" key twice. If you flying US aircrafts you'll see two lines: one vertical, one horizontal. You have to cross them in the middle. If horizontal line goes higher that means you are too low. If lower - you're too high. The same is with vertical line. If line goes right you have to go more to right, if goes left you should do the same. In russian planes there to circle. Bigger one show the vector to airfield, the smaller one - correct approach. Take course first on the smaller one then on the bigger one. Try to keep both circle in the middle of your hud. When you reach the begining of the runway set your power to "small thrust" and pull your nose up a little. Touchdown with descending 2 < 1 m/s and airspeed 260 km/h. After that cut the power off, press "P" for parachute and slow down to about 120 khp / 60 kts press "W" for wheelbrakes.

[Kula66]

Try a nice easy a/c first ... the F-15. Put the flight path marker on the end of the runway and just keep it there. Also, its got auto trim ... Then try the more difficult a/c, then try night, fog, carrier landings, then try a harder a/c

 

Hope this helps,

James

[dynamocl]

Pitch controls your speed, throttle rate of descent. Flight path marker on start of runway, flare - pull up and "glide in" when it feels right. Flight path marker should then travel to end of runway.

 

Lots of tips can be given. Best way though is to practise practise and practise. We cant give you a landing badge so that it becomes easy.

[Zoltar]

Thanks guys. I have upgrade to Flaming Cliffs and using Logitech Attack 3 Joystick. I have gone through the A-10 Navigation and Landing tutorial, and trying to play the same. The biggest problem i face is when i line up either i am too close to runway to and way above glide path or if i am right glide path but not lined up. I know the theory by heart and been practicing the same for a year now. But still i have not able to master it, so thought that i am doing something basic wrong. I can join some online community or playing group to learn these things by some vetran.

 

Thanks.

[GGTharos]

You have a distance to runway in navigation. You need the following: When you reach the ILSN waypoint, you're about5-6nm out from the runway.

 

You need 300' altitude per nm, that's the proper glideslope.

 

If you're slightly above flidepath, reduce power or dive slightly to place the FPM on the ground before the runway - if you're lower, add power so the FPM is 'behind' the runway. The cross ought to line up eventually.

 

Maintain 150kts, and drop to 130kts just before landing. You need to do this all smoothly, no panicking.

[Zoltar]

Thanks GGThoras. Can you give me some tips on maintaining the steady descend rate without wobbling up and down or swaying side ways?

[Zoltar]

Let me put the earlier question in a different way. Lets say i need to dive by say 2 - 3 degrees to put the FPM on the beginning of the runway. All is set. I then ease on the joystick and let it come on the neutral position. The moment I do this the a/c starts pitching up. I then reduce the throttle to bring the FPM back on beginning of runway and this time the a/c dips and I have to again increase or pull the a/c to keep FPM on track. While doing all this I lose track of ILS bars or the flaps or the air brakes. Can this be a problem with my joystick or have i not correctly configured my joystick? Please advice.

 

Thanks.

[suntrace1]

Embarrass yourself and do a track of your landing problems. It will be much easier for us to see, what's bothering you.

[S77th-konkussion]

Let me put the earlier question in a different way. Lets say i need to dive by say 2 - 3 degrees to put the FPM on the beginning of the runway. All is set. I then ease on the joystick and let it come on the neutral position. The moment I do this the a/c starts pitching up.

Thanks.

 

This sounds like you're not controlling the aircraft's speed. It's a constant adjustment of the throttles, speedbrakes, and when you dirty up the plane (flaps & gear) you have to compensate for the drag induced.(throttle up a bit) Deploying flaps too early(fast) will certainly cause an upward pitch, as will getting too slow too early.

 

You'v got to watch & manage it all- and to do that you should take a serious look at a track IR. Without one of those- you might want to zoom out a bit so you can see more of your instruments better.

[VMFA-Blaze]

OK if you have never been succesful in landing you might want to try useing a little help to get you familar with the prceadure without crashing. Use autopilot to take you in.

 

It will actually take you to the edge of the runway and a little less then a meter short of landing it will disengage. Then it's just a matter of bringing it down till your allmost touching the tarmack and flair up gently and you will hear the tires screech and then you can watch your nose settle down, open your chute if your in a Russian bird and apply the brakes. One thing while your at the top of your landing, that's the best time to lower your wheels and flaps and most of all make sure that you set your THROTTLE TO ABOUT 3/4.. once you get the feel of flaring and then hitting the runway properly you can try it without the aid of the auto pilot...

 

~S~

 

Blaze

[Ukr_Alex]

Is it just me or most people land by eye?

 

 

I only use the HUD or instruments when Im landing in bad weather.

 

 

Otherwise I always land visualy.......saves lots of time

 

 

I just come in at a 90 degree angle to the runway direction, pull of a big drift when the runway is right under my nose, and land with my rudders in full opposite lock :megalol:

 

I guess its just my sim racing side coming out :D

[Guest Cali]

I land by eye also, just like Ukr Alex said. Unless I'm landing on the carrier then I fly the meatball. Once you have been flying this game for a while landing will be like riding a bike. Pretty soon you'll be doing it with no hands...

[Camoman]

I land by eye unless of course I cant see through the fog. It would be good for you to come online though.

[S77th-GOYA]

Enfield 11, you are below glidepath.

 

(Nice text HUD :))

 

The best advice for landing I can think of is to establish boards out, gear and flaps down as early in the approach as you can and then maintain the proper airspeed with the velocity vector on the threshold of the runway. Flair and cut throttle just before touchdown.

[zaelu]

My advices would be:

 

1. Take enough distance from runway before turning in. 5KM or 3 miles would do the trick. This helps in giving you enough time to prepare your landings without geting in panic that you are late at pulling flaps out, gear or whatever. Also, given you have the correct altitude it will give you a nice angle.

 

2. Go at a good altitude. 1000m or roughly 3000feet its a good start.

 

1 and 2 should be your final approach point. You can prepare your landings even more by going into initial approach point which is further back and higher... like 15KM from runway and 2Km alt.

 

3. Start slowing the plane to roughly 350KM/h or 150knots, you shouldn't enter final approach with to much speed anyway... lets say 450 would be max. Slow down with your airbrakes and throttle down. When you are close to 350km/h 150knots drop flaps to landing and gear. Expect plane to rise and counter that with your stick. Whatch the speed. Use airbrakes more than throttle.Keep the throttle at arround 70-80%

 

All the time you keep your FPM at the end of the runway (closest to you :P )

 

Try to find a sweet spot where a throttle setting will give you 350KM/h or 150Knots without using airbrakes. You shoud use airbrakes at the end if necesarely so they should stay as a reserve.

 

4. At 1KM or above half a mile you drop your speed to 300km/h or 130Knots. You do that by airbrakes and small throttle down. Dont go iddle with the throttle. Be cool, the speed will drop.

 

5. At the end of the runway you should be at 300KM/h or 130knots, and at maximum 10m or 30feet. Deploy airbrake, throttle back, and nose up a little to flare. You should think a the flare like you would try to straighten the plane from the "dive" and not to rise the nose "to takeoff".

 

At this point you should have under 5m/s or arround 900feet/minute the rate of descent and droping to 1m/s or 200feet/minute. This is what flare does. Slows down the plane verticaly and make the touchdown happen with the main gear.

 

Don't try at first to touch down at the exact end of the runway. If you have 300km/h and just 10m alt and you are slowing, even if you settle at the half of the runway you are OK.

 

Be gentle with the controls, imagine you have a nice woman as a pasanger... you want to impress her not to get her sick :D .

 

Later you will find that at the end of the runway you can come as slow as 250km/h or even slower depending on the payload. You can deploy parashutes while still in the air if you are bellow 300km/h and you have iddle the throttle... etc. But first try a "decent" landing like the one I described. :D

 

Good Luck. S!

[Zoltar]

Hi,

 

This is the link where i have uploaded the track. Things are not as bad always as they happned in this track. :glare:

 

http://www.upload2.net/page/download/3gcH9AsN3Gf0xRH/test.trk.html

 

Thanks.

[Zoltar]

Guys, please try the link couple of times. I observed it worked for second time.

 

Thanks.

[GGTharos]

Do -not- use autopilot for landing, period. It is a hinderance. Just keepp your hands on the wheel and you'll do fine. Your glidelope is about 3 degrees, meaning the FPM should be just a touch below the middle between the 0 and -5 lines on the pitch ladder, and aimed at the start of the runway. Keep it there and you'll do fine.

[zaelu]

I have whatched your track and I can tell you this:

 

1. Don't use "altitude hold" better "level flight" (Alt-3) which you reset with Alt-9... in this way you are shure the plane will fly streight and you can go to bathroom :)

 

2. You came very good till the end where you had put the FPM in to the ground before the runway and... you crushed while flaring. Remember FPM shouws you where your plane will go if you maintain that flight path so puting it into the ground you will go into the ground.

 

I told you not to try to land at the edge of the runway, apparently you were trying to hit the threshold but you came too short.

 

So you are ok but, try to put the FPM on the runway and not on the ground and dont bother about landing at one third of the runway... is no contest... yet :D.

 

Here is your track modified by me at the end ( I took control just before the right turn towards the runway). You can see the not so coordinated turn that I made :P, the throttle settings, where I put the FPM, how I flare a little to early but I didn't care and how I exited a little left from the center line and didn't care either... so relax... you are ok.

 

http://www.upload2.net/page/download/XnhL9QS8nXiRTdg/test2.trk.html

[Zoltar]

Thanks a lot to all of you for your help. Finally I managed to land 10 times consecutively without crashing. :smartass: Though i still don't center the runway everytime...:P. Once again thanks for your help. I can't explain how much fun it is to land and come out live.

 

Regards. :pilotfly: