Mission Editor map help

[jaznit]

hey all

 

What I am trying to do, and not succeeding at, is to have a map I can put up on multiplayer for a few friends to join and we have red vs blue, and have the ability to both choose f15c or p51 and be on opposite sides.

 

What I have read is that when choosing sides the side you choose will only give you the options of those planes they have in real life, but I have seen in multiplayer maps like the 104 online map you can be on red or blue and choose any plane... but I don't know how to do it.

 

Can someone help me please with:

- Tell me what I need to do to have red (say Russia) vs blue (say USA), and have a selection of planes so both sides can have the f15c, etc.

- How do I put an awacs for both sides?

- How can I have some enemy AI on expert guarding both the red and blue Awacs incase the players try to take them out :)

 

I've attached the mission editor file I have so far that shows you 3 bases. The f15c fight is meant to be over the mountains but red doesn't have a f15 yet (hence i need help fixing this)... and the mustang fight is to guard a river.

 

Any really good videos on how to do this would be great as searching you tube and these forum didn't provide me any answers..

 

Thanks in advance

Multiplayer fun map.miz

[feefifofum]

When you click file-> new in the mission editor you'll be shown a list of countries. Move Russia to blue and USAF Agressors to red and both sides will have access to all units

[jaznit]

Cool I'll try that :)

 

Do I leave all the other countries as neutral or won't it matter?

 

 

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[jaznit]

When you click file-> new in the mission editor you'll be shown a list of countries. Move Russia to blue and USAF Agressors to red and both sides will have access to all units

 

Didn't work... Russia doesn't have the F15c when I follow the above, but it led me to using USA vs USAF which worked perfectly.... Thank you.

 

Any thoughts on the other questions?

[Steggles]

jaznit, db_countries.lua in your DCS directory. check out this thread. Just repeat the process for the F15 instead of the A10. And don't use the files attached to that thread, they are 1.2 versions, but instructions are correct... If you want more info, just let me know.

 

How do I put an awacs for both sides?

E-2 / E-3 are western AWACS, A-50 is eastern AWACS. Use the above info if you want the same type on both sides.

 

How can I have some enemy AI on expert guarding both the red and blue Awacs incase the players try to take them out

Change TASK to escort, then use an advanced waypoint action to escort the unit you want escorted.

Edited February 13, 2016 by Steggles

[jaznit]

jaznit, db_countries.lua in your DCS directory. check out this thread. Just repeat the process for the F15 instead of the A10. And don't use the files attached to that thread, they are 1.2 versions, but instructions are correct... If you want more info, just let me know.

 

 

E-2 / E-3 are western AWACS, A-50 is eastern AWACS. Use the above info if you want the same type on both sides.

 

ok cool that seems pretty easy, would it still work for those that play with my map online? Or would they have issues as they haven't modified their file too?

[Steggles]

Nope, wont be a problem as the info is in the mission file. Answered your other question above too.

[jaznit]

Nope, wont be a problem as the info is in the mission file. Answered your other question above too.

 

Thank you, sorry didn't see that one :)

 

Appreciate your answers - I'll keep playing around with mission editor

[jaznit]

E-2 / E-3 are western AWACS, A-50 is eastern AWACS. Use the above info if you want the same type on both sides.

 

Change TASK to escort, then use an advanced waypoint action to escort the unit you want escorted.

 

ok thank you, got the AWACS in the air and i'll do the waypoints soon, but first issue is when I fly up I can't use the "\" then "F7" to call the AWACS and get a Bogey Dope. Any ideas why?

 

Also, is it possible to reduce the range of the SAM's? I want to limit them to say 10 nms as per the picture so that become base defence only when someone is within firing range only.

Updated Multiplayer fun map.miz

[Steggles]

Sam ranges depends on type. Use Sa-6's or 3's for shorter ranges or the manpads.

 

As for the AWACS, the only way I've been able to get them to work is to delete the item in the advance waypoint actions for the first waypoint, set up a 'Start Enroute Task' - AWACS, and add a second one, 'Perform Command' - Set Frequency. This will be the frequency that an aircraft has to tune to to use the awacs. Take note that FC3 aircraft do not have to tune radios and will have it automatically.

[Ironhand]

You can control the SAM engagement zone (to make it smaller) with triggers--which I am no expert on. But attached is a mission that turns the AI Tor unit on or off based on whether or not a member of a coalition is within the trigger zone. As I've set it up, the engagement zone is smaller than it otherwise would be for this Tor. This might give you some ideas on how to handle things.

 

To see how it was done, hover your mouse over the tool bar on the left side of the map and click anything with the word trigger in it. You'll see how I set things up. Like I said, I am far from an expert in using triggers. But this will hopefully point you in the right direction.

Edited February 13, 2016 by Ironhand
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[jaznit]

You can control the SAM engagement zone (to make it smaller) with triggers--which I am no expert on. But attached is a mission that turns the AI Tor unit on or off based on whether or not a member of a coalition is within the trigger zone. As I've set it up, the engagement zone is smaller than it otherwise would be for this Tor. This might give you some ideas on how to handle things.

 

To see how it was done, hover your mouse over the tool bar on the left side of the map and click anything with the word trigger in it. You'll see how I set things up. Like I said, I am far from an expert in using triggers. But this will hopefully point you in the right direction.

 

ah ok cool that looks great. basically you fly in and the zone and it turns it on and kills you. Once I know the answer to my below question i'll set that up.

 

I saw your SAM type isn't available to USA - and any combination I have used (without the trigger) and setting to Weapons Free nothing actually fires... What Sam's or combination do I need? (Pics attached)

 

The only ones that so far actually shoot for me are the Manpads but their range is too small..

[jaznit]

Sam ranges depends on type. Use Sa-6's or 3's for shorter ranges or the manpads.

 

As for the AWACS, the only way I've been able to get them to work is to delete the item in the advance waypoint actions for the first waypoint, set up a 'Start Enroute Task' - AWACS, and add a second one, 'Perform Command' - Set Frequency. This will be the frequency that an aircraft has to tune to to use the awacs. Take note that FC3 aircraft do not have to tune radios and will have it automatically.

 

yeah bummer about the awacs as I'm trying to set this up for the FC3. Surely there has to be a way given it is setup in all of these multiplayer servers, Have you even tried some type of fixed radar that can just given constant updates? Maybe if something like that was there and I could have it turn on via a trigger point when you enter a hot zone or something.

 

Thanks for the tip about the manpads. They solved the issue although their range is extremely low Man those things come at you fast and you don't even get a missile lock/fired warning

[jaznit]

You can control the SAM engagement zone (to make it smaller) with triggers--which I am no expert on. But attached is a mission that turns the AI Tor unit on or off based on whether or not a member of a coalition is within the trigger zone. As I've set it up, the engagement zone is smaller than it otherwise would be for this Tor. This might give you some ideas on how to handle things.

 

To see how it was done, hover your mouse over the tool bar on the left side of the map and click anything with the word trigger in it. You'll see how I set things up. Like I said, I am far from an expert in using triggers. But this will hopefully point you in the right direction.

 

If you have a minute can you look at these SAM and trigger setups and give me some feedback?

[Steggles]

The AWACS still works for FC 3 aircraft. I was only pointing out that the High fidelity modules will need the frequency to use the AWACS and FC3 aircraft don't.

 

As for the SAMs, depends on what type you are using. SA15 (I think it's the 15) launchers have their search and track radars built in, while the SA10 has a search radar, track radar and launchers all seperate. Just do a search for what types require what. I havnt fiddled much with SAMs recently, but I believe some now may need a command post too. I know the hawk requires one. The USA SAM systems are lacking compared to the Russian. Try the hawk or patriot system.

 

And I can't see pics on your post

Edited February 14, 2016 by Steggles

[jaznit]

The AWACS still works for FC 3 aircraft. I was only pointing out that the High fidelity modules will need the frequency to use the AWACS and FC3 aircraft don't.

 

As for the SAMs, depends on what type you are using. SA15 (I think it's the 15) launchers have their search and track radars built in, while the SA10 has a search radar, track radar and launchers all seperate. Just do a search for what types require what. I havnt fiddled much with SAMs recently, but I believe some now may need a command post too. I know the hawk requires one. The USA SAM systems are lacking compared to the Russian. Try the hawk or patriot system.

 

And I can't see pics on your post

 

Yep thought I had uploaded the file, but it didn't :) have tried it again.

 

I tried the AWACS without any luck - couldn't work out how to get it to be called or give updates.

Updated Multiplayer fun map.miz

[Ironhand]

If you have a minute can you look at these SAM and trigger setups and give me some feedback?

Here's a mission that does what I think you're trying to do. You get a single warning when you penetrate the warning trigger zone and, then, get attacked after crossing into the "kill" trigger zone. Just keep in mind that it takes time for SAM system radars to warm up, etc after they come online. So the attack will not be instantaneous.

 

If you include Ukraine in the Blue coalition, you have access to most of the Red SAM units. I like the TOR because its range is only a bit larger than the 10 NM kill trigger you had been trying to set up at one point.

 

Keep in mind, that the "kill" trigger zone ONLY turns the units on. It doesn't limit their activity to that kill trigger zone. So, if you use a theater defense weapon like a Patriot system and have a trigger zone of 10 NM that turns it on, it will attack anything within its actual range, not just units within the kill trigger zone. So the SAM's range has to fairly closely match the trigger zone. Otherwise someone is going to get an unwelcome surprise.

 

Rich

Edited February 14, 2016 by Ironhand

[jaznit]

Here's a mission that does what I think you're trying to do. You get a single warning when you penetrate the warning trigger zone and, then, get attacked after crossing into the "kill" trigger zone. Just keep in mind that it takes time for SAM system radars to warm up, etc after they come online. So the attack will not be instantaneous.

 

If you include Ukraine in the Blue coalition, you have access to most of the Red SAM units. I like the TOR because its range is only a bit larger than the 10 NM kill trigger you had been trying to set up at one point.

 

Keep in mind, that the "kill" trigger zone ONLY turns the units on. It doesn't limit their activity to that kill trigger zone. So, if you use a theater defense weapon like a Patriot system and have a trigger zone of 10 NM that turns it on, it will attack anything within its actual range, not just units within the kill trigger zone. So the SAM's range has to fairly closely match the trigger zone. Otherwise someone is going to get an unwelcome surprise.

 

Rich

 

Thanks Rich, Pretty much what I setup also. Except i found you don't need a separate trigger for flag on to be 1, you can set this up in the same continuous trigger as the Group AI on.

 

You ever got an AWACS working with FC3?

[Ironhand]

Thanks Rich, Pretty much what I setup also. Except i found you don't need a separate trigger for flag on to be 1, you can set this up in the same continuous trigger as the Group AI on...

Realized that myself early this AM. But thanks for the heads up. Don't do much myself in the way of mission building except to test concepts, etc.

 

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You ever got an AWACS working with FC3?

I just created a simple mission last week for a tutorial I'm working on and it seemed to work fine. But, then again, I didn't try calling it for info. It was singing out bogey dope like it's supposed to.

 

I just plunked it on the map with an orbit WP and let it do its thing. I know you were having issues but I haven't checked to see if I can spot why you're having problems. I'm take a look either tonight or tomorrow morning before work.

[jaznit]

Mission Editor map help

 

Oh that's awesome you got it to work, can you post your mission file up so I can check how yours is setup

 

Once I get it working my goal would be to have it working based on a trigger zone only - eg battle over the mountains, that way if I battle over the sea it's a different experience without the awacs :)

 

 

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[Ironhand]

Oh that's awesome you got it to work, can you post your mission file up so I can check how yours is setup...

Here it is. I like to keep things simple...

 

...which is all I needed for this scenario...

 

 

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[jaznit]

Here it is. I like to keep things simple...

 

...which is all I needed for this scenario...

 

 

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Thank you, got my AWACS now...

 

Have a look at this. options for multiplayer or missions/coop.

Updated Multiplayer fun map.miz

[Ironhand]

Thank you, got my AWACS now...

 

Have a look at this. options for multiplayer or missions/coop.

Thanks for sharing. I'll take a look at my earliest opportunity. :)