pered Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 Many weeks, months, years I've spent researching this issue that we all have to face in the DCS community. I have finally gathered enough information to understand why it has not yet been subject to release. . . . . . . . . . . It's TOO good and Leartherneck doesn't want to share it with us. :lol::lol::D Can't wait for it, the excitement is killing me, surprise us LNS! Love you 1 Gotta catch them all bandits! :joystick:
Silver_Dragon Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 Complex modules require years of develop time (ED EDGE engine and F/A-18C, Belsimtek Helos, LNK F-14, VEAO EFA, etc) and ED implement the necessary technology into the core engine to work some required functionality. If somewhere think that is work take only 1-2 years, you missing the point. Actually, meanwhile we dont see a official stament by ED put a release date and DCS: W version release plus 3rd party release info, we only take care and a patience wait for some develop news. For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
pered Posted February 28, 2016 Author Posted February 28, 2016 Complex modules require years of develop time (ED EDGE engine and F/A-18C, Belsimtek Helos, LNK F-14, VEAO EFA, etc) and ED implement the necessary technology into the core engine to work some required functionality. If somewhere think that is work take only 1-2 years, you missing the point. Actually, meanwhile we dont see a official stament by ED put a release date and DCS: W version release plus 3rd party release info, we only take care and a patience wait for some develop news. I agree, it's very complex and they will take their time to get it to almost release state. I fully understand the time it takes to develop such a module. Que solo era una broma joder! :D Gotta catch them all bandits! :joystick:
Xenovia Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 but how come planes like the Mirage didn't take as long and the Harrier's progress is going at a fairly fast pace [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Silver_Dragon Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 Mirage 2000 project was official "announced" on 2013, and Harrier was delayed 4 years from initial official announcement. Remember, a announcemente dont say nothing about a "fast" develop, that require some time for internal develop and a "official announcement", not show the previous internal develop time previous to them. For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
Xenovia Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 i never heard of the Mirage until 6 months ago so. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
johnv2pt0 Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) i never heard of the Mirage until 6 months ago so. Just a guess, but I'm pretty sure RAZBAM has been big in the FSX sim, so perhaps a lot of the development of the M-2000C can be thought of as a "port" from fsx > dcs. I Don't know for sure, but they're an established sim maker whereas some of the others are just starting so that probably helps a lot on development times. Also, it's always going to be different based on the actual tech they're simulating. For the F-14 something that seems fairly simple like variable sweep wings is actually insanely complicated aero engineering. Edited February 29, 2016 by johnv2pt0
BlackLion213 Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 i never heard of the Mirage until 6 months ago so. It has been in progress for quite a while as Silver Dragon said. Plus, it was a FSX/P3D aircraft before it came to DCS. but how come planes like the Mirage didn't take as long and the Harrier's progress is going at a fairly fast pace I'm glad you brought this up, there are a few interesting insights worth mentioning with this project. Of note, Razbam developed the AV-8B for FSX a while ago and are already very familiar with the aircraft. Firstly, I have only seen the exterior mesh recently redone and in game for DCS. All the other screenshots/renders are based on the FSX assets and need to be extensively upgraded or redone (as mentioned by Razbam). Also, though a VSTOL fixed wing aircraft would be new to DCS, the Harrier is not a very complicated aircraft from a systems standpoint (compared to the Hornet, Tomcat, or Viggen). It's certainly more complicated than the F-86 or F-5E, but certainly not the ASM nightmare that the Hornet represents. Another interesting insight, Razbam recently switched from their original plan to do the British Gr.7/9 to the AV-8B. Because: we stumbled into a brick wall, a wall that might put the Gr7/Gr9 at least 2 years behind..and that is weapons systems. The message, you never know how long it will actually take to develop a module. Things could be moving along quickly and smoothly till you try to develop some new tech or variation on an existing feature. Dealing with that feature could add months or years onto the project, even if it seemed straightforward. VEAO had their P-40F on pre-sale last September, but they've hit a series of very challenging bugs and the module still isn't ready (even though it was very nearly done for DCS 1.2.16). So no one really knows how long it will take to complete a project, especially one with new features. Leatherneck also is developing three modules simultaneously with new maps for all three and lots of new features (carrier ops, ground radar, thrust reversers, variable geometry wings, multi-crew, avionics that are much more complex than the MiG-21). The Tomcat is one of the most popular combat aircraft of all time and very popular around here (judging from the response). Yet, it has been minimally represented in flight sims - because it is a very difficult aircraft to properly simulate. I am very confident that we will have an F-14A/B in DCS and that it will be very impressive - but hard to know how long it will take to complete, it's a tough project (even among DCS projects and all DCS modules are tough projects). I wouldn't compare it to the Harrier and expect it to progress at the same rate. That said, the Harrier looks very promising and I hope that Razbam stays on track. Their Mirage 2000C is excellent work and I really enjoy flying it. I bet the Harrier will also be excellent and welcome addition; though I'm still hoping we get the Tomcat first. :D -Nick
AG-51_Razor Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 I hope we see the A-7E Corsair before the Harrier!! :pilotfly: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
LcSummers Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 Yes, me too. Waiting eagerly for the Tomcat. Its my first choice. Love that bird. I can remember when i flew Fleet defender and saw the pilots head moving, searching the sky (RIOs seat). My first Tomcat. When i heard LN is anouncing the Tomcat i was soooooo glad. From what i saw on LN site, its a piece of art. Look at the crew.:thumbup:
Reflected Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 Yes, me too. Waiting eagerly for the Tomcat. Its my first choice. Love that bird. I can remember when i flew Fleet defender and saw the pilots head moving, searching the sky (RIOs seat). My first Tomcat. When i heard LN is anouncing the Tomcat i was soooooo glad. From what i saw on LN site, its a piece of art. Look at the crew.:thumbup: Ditto! I spent countless hours flying Fleet Defender. What an immersive game it was! Nowadays I sooth my Tomcat-thirst with aerosoft's F-14 in P3D (also avavilable for FSX). It's very, very well done, minus the air combat of course. At least I can work on my carrier landings with the help of vLSO. By the time the DCS cat is out, I might have a GPA of around 4! :pilotfly: Facebook Instagram YouTube Discord
Bulldog51 Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 I hope we see the A-7E Corsair before the Harrier!! :pilotfly: I'll 2nd That!!!!:thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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