Jogui3000 Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 So How are the F14's RWRs for both the A and the B variants? Are they different? (anything like the TEWS?) Also The F15 has that little countdown to pitbull time in the HUD, do you guys know if the F14 has anything like that? Oh, and also another thing, I saw some videos of F14 pilots shooting the Phoenix and they always said Fox one? (Isn't the Fox one call for Semi-Active radar guided missiles?) As far as I know the AIM-54 Phoenix has a radar. :huh: PC Specs: RTX 2070 (8GB) + I5-9600K + 32GB RAM. Stuff for the sim: Thrustmaster T16000M HOTAS + TFRP Rudder pedals, Track IR5. Modules: FC3, A10C, F/A-18C, F16C, F14A/B, MiG-21Bis, AJS-37, F5E, F86F-35, M2000C, Ka-50, P51D, Bf-109K4, Fw-190D9, Spitfire LF Mk IX, L39, CA. Maps: Persian Gulf, NTTR, Normandy 1944 + WWII Assets Pack. Campaigns: A10C:The Enemy Within.
Grundar Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) I think that I read somewhere the Fox 3 was reserved for AIM-54's though if the pilots were shooting AIM-54's in tests and it was the only weapon they were carrying then maybe they just defaulted to Fox 1. Lets face it they all fired Sparrows much more than they ever fired the Phoenix. The Phoenix certainly does have an active radar that is, funnily enough activated, in the terminal phase of flight. So the F-14 could either slave it and do initial guidance or an E-2C could guide an AIM-54 onto target without the F-14 having to guide it at all. The AIM-54 was also potent in heavy ECM environments making it a big threat - enough that the Iraqi Airforce seemed terrified by them and that the Iranians loved them. The F-14A RWR is a very basic, early functioning form of threat warning. Essentially it would light up a quadrant light around a depiction of the aircraft on one of the display panels - it would kick a navigation display into the RWR threat display and the detected radar position would be via vector strobe which isn't overly detailed - this was partly due to low processing power in the threat computers and possibly locaiton of the crystal antenna on the F-14A itself. There was also an audible tone played in the headphones of pilot/rio. The original RWR the ALR-45 would get a lot of false positives and some RIO's would pull the circuit breaker on the noise The ALR-45 was in the F-14a and the F-14B's were upgraded to the ALR-67 iirc - which featured improved RWR components and was a digital based system with better processing and filtering power. Edited March 4, 2016 by Grundar
Reflected Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Grundar, thanks a lot for the info! Very insightful. Looks like we'll have a much harder time defending against missiles in the F-14 than in the F-15? Also, as far as I know the RWR was on the right side of the RIO's panel. I wonder how it's gonna be done in DCS with an AI on the backseat. PS: I love your avatar! :) Facebook Instagram YouTube Discord
Jogui3000 Posted March 4, 2016 Author Posted March 4, 2016 I think that I read somewhere the Fox 3 was reserved for AIM-54's though if the pilots were shooting AIM-54's in tests and it was the only weapon they were carrying then maybe they just defaulted to Fox 1. Lets face it they all fired Sparrows much more than they ever fired the Phoenix. The Phoenix certainly does have an active radar that is, funnily enough activated, in the terminal phase of flight. So the F-14 could either slave it and do initial guidance or an E-2C could guide an AIM-54 onto target without the F-14 having to guide it at all. The AIM-54 was also potent in heavy ECM environments making it a big threat - enough that the Iraqi Airforce seemed terrified by them and that the Iranians loved them. The F-14A RWR is a very basic, early functioning form of threat warning. Essentially it would light up a quadrant light around a depiction of the aircraft on one of the display panels - it would kick a navigation display into the RWR threat display and the detected radar position would be via vector strobe which isn't overly detailed - this was partly due to low processing power in the threat computers and possibly locaiton of the crystal antenna on the F-14A itself. There was also an audible tone played in the headphones of pilot/rio. The original RWR the ALR-45 would get a lot of false positives and some RIO's would pull the circuit breaker on the noise The ALR-45 was in the F-14a and the F-14B's were upgraded to the ALR-67 iirc - which featured improved RWR components and was a digital based system with better processing and filtering power. Thank you for the great overview :) PC Specs: RTX 2070 (8GB) + I5-9600K + 32GB RAM. Stuff for the sim: Thrustmaster T16000M HOTAS + TFRP Rudder pedals, Track IR5. Modules: FC3, A10C, F/A-18C, F16C, F14A/B, MiG-21Bis, AJS-37, F5E, F86F-35, M2000C, Ka-50, P51D, Bf-109K4, Fw-190D9, Spitfire LF Mk IX, L39, CA. Maps: Persian Gulf, NTTR, Normandy 1944 + WWII Assets Pack. Campaigns: A10C:The Enemy Within.
Cobra847 Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Grundar, thanks a lot for the info! Very insightful. Looks like we'll have a much harder time defending against missiles in the F-14 than in the F-15? Also, as far as I know the RWR was on the right side of the RIO's panel. I wonder how it's gonna be done in DCS with an AI on the backseat. PS: I love your avatar! :) Your RIO will give you indications and any 2D overlays that can be made available will be. Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/
Kola360 Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Oh, and also another thing, I saw some videos of F14 pilots shooting the Phoenix and they always said Fox one? (Isn't the Fox one call for Semi-Active radar guided missiles?) As far as I know the AIM-54 Phoenix has a radar. :huh: Maybe it was this video? [ame= ] [/ame]
BlackLion213 Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Grundar, thanks a lot for the info! Very insightful. Looks like we'll have a much harder time defending against missiles in the F-14 than in the F-15? Also, as far as I know the RWR was on the right side of the RIO's panel. I wonder how it's gonna be done in DCS with an AI on the backseat. PS: I love your avatar! :) There is a RWR threat panel display option for the Pilot's HSD display in the F-14A (shows the same info as the RIO's right-sided display). The F-14B also has a dedicated RWR display on the right upper instrument panel, the same type installed in the early F/A-18A/C. In both cases, it is much less sophisticated than the TEWS system in the F-15C - you're right, it will be more work. :) -Nick
Jogui3000 Posted March 5, 2016 Author Posted March 5, 2016 Your RIO will give you indications and any 2D overlays that can be made available will be. Good! :) PC Specs: RTX 2070 (8GB) + I5-9600K + 32GB RAM. Stuff for the sim: Thrustmaster T16000M HOTAS + TFRP Rudder pedals, Track IR5. Modules: FC3, A10C, F/A-18C, F16C, F14A/B, MiG-21Bis, AJS-37, F5E, F86F-35, M2000C, Ka-50, P51D, Bf-109K4, Fw-190D9, Spitfire LF Mk IX, L39, CA. Maps: Persian Gulf, NTTR, Normandy 1944 + WWII Assets Pack. Campaigns: A10C:The Enemy Within.
Jogui3000 Posted March 5, 2016 Author Posted March 5, 2016 Maybe it was this video? Yep this one! PC Specs: RTX 2070 (8GB) + I5-9600K + 32GB RAM. Stuff for the sim: Thrustmaster T16000M HOTAS + TFRP Rudder pedals, Track IR5. Modules: FC3, A10C, F/A-18C, F16C, F14A/B, MiG-21Bis, AJS-37, F5E, F86F-35, M2000C, Ka-50, P51D, Bf-109K4, Fw-190D9, Spitfire LF Mk IX, L39, CA. Maps: Persian Gulf, NTTR, Normandy 1944 + WWII Assets Pack. Campaigns: A10C:The Enemy Within.
QuiGon Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 How's the RIO's RWR? Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
BlackLion213 Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 How's the RIO's RWR? It's the same as the pilot's. The RIO has a simple MFD (not like the MFD everyone is used to, it has just a few available pages) on the right lower side of the cockpit. It can be seen just behind the RBF tag here: It displays the same information as the pilot's HDI (the lower of the two stacked screens): This MFD can display different navigation pages/modes and RWR/ECM data. The pilot's HDI can also display info from the RIO's TID. In the F-14A, this MFD is the only display for RWR and ECM data. The F-14B has an additional RWR display for the ALR-67 in the pilot's cockpit, I'm not sure if the RIO received one as well. One inherent limitation of the F-14A's set-up is that the pilot cannot have both radar and RWR data displayed at the same time (though the RIO can because of the TID). This was rectified in the F-14B by providing a new RWR display for the ALR-67. Here is a photo, the RWR display is nestled into the top right quadrant of the instrument panel, near the radios: -Nick
QuiGon Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 Alright, thanks :thumbup: Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
bullettweak Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 On a side note, just to compare these with the F-14D. The Super Tomcat also used ALR-67, and it was displayed on the MFD's. If memory serves me correct there were two MFD's for the pilot, and one for the NFO.
MoGas Posted March 29, 2016 Posted March 29, 2016 On this vid from the VF-154 with there F-14A`s you can see the "B" like RWR Display in the Cockpit. At 00:13 and 03:10 min..It seems that the A`s got some updates in case of the RWR in there last days, like the new MFD for the RIO....
BlackLion213 Posted March 29, 2016 Posted March 29, 2016 On this vid from the VF-154 with there F-14A`s you can see the "B" like RWR Display in the Cockpit. At 00:13 and 03:10 min..It seems that the A`s got some updates in case of the RWR in there last days, like the new MFD for the RIO.... Yes they did, starting around 1992 and finishing fleet-wide about a year later. They also halved the number of active Tomcat squadrons between 1993-1995, which allowed them to keep the newest airframes active. The upgrades included the ALR-67, ALQ-126 ECM, and new "NACA" style gun vents for the M61 cannon. The ALQ-126 added a bunch of small lumps and bumps to the Tomcats airframe. The first Tomcats with the ALQ-126 were new build F-14s that entered the fleet around 1986 (IIRC). The ALR-67 and new NACA style gun vents were added in 92ish as I mentioned and is a reliable way of dating photos as Cold War vs post-Cold War. The next big upgrades were LANTIRN capability with the RIO MFD (starting around 1997), followed by DFCS a year or two later. BTW, these upgrades were for the F-14A. The F-14B had a different upgrade schedule since it came from the factory with the ALR-67, ALQ-126, and new gun vents. -Nick
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